Mauled fox found dead after hunt in Studdal

whatkatiedid wrote:

Firstly, It is the Master and Staff who should shoulder any blame in such a matter. The hounds do what they are bred to do and I am sorry but the lure of a fox urine rag probably pales into insignificance when the 'real' target is spotted. I have hunted (did so for many years) but gave up a few years ago because of the people who had become involved, things have changed and I think that it is a sport for those who can spend cash. £60 to participate for a rider (plus the mega cost of diesel to get there, to say nothing of keeping a horse fit). What finished me was the attitude at the top.

Why on earth could the Master not communicate professionally or at least politely?

25 Oct 2011 5:03 PM

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Rachel Martin wrote:

Firstly, Sam1978, a fox does not kill for "fun" - that remains a purely human thing. A fox kills several/many "let's say free range chickens" at once as a fox operates a larder system; they collect up all their kills and store them for times when finding food is difficult.
The main fact of the matter is, these bloodthirsty idiots repeatedly show total disregard for the law of the land, and do not care about the damage they cause as they terrorise innocent creatures and damage hedges and fences, and murder family pets. Just because these psychotic pieces of pondlife have money, they get away with choosing which laws to adhere to... Personally, I find the law which prevents me hunting down these amoeba-brains and tearing them apart "unjust", but that is the law, so I don't do it!

22 Oct 2011 9:37 AM

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Wendé Anne wrote:

I'm entirely with Charley Fox in both her comments. There are countless videos on YouTube to show the animals killed by fox hounds and the havoc that the Hunts have wreaked on farmland. Foxes will not take lambs, they are opportunistic scavengers and will take stillborn lambs. I too have friends who keep free-range chickens which have trees to fly into should a fox come near. They make one hell of a warning outcry at the first sign of a fox so they all escape. Foxes definitely don't need culling; and even if they did, certainly not in such an inefficient system as a hunt.

21 Oct 2011 8:16 PM

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Charley Fox wrote:

Nebhunting - believe it or not, I KNOW what I'm talking about and you appear to be one of the usual pros in denial because you're terrified your 'kicks' will be taken away from you.
I invite you to enlighten us on foxhound retirement and tell me where I can see them.

21 Oct 2011 5:55 PM

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Judi Hewitt wrote:

Hunting with dogs is sadistic!!
Nebhunting obviously hunts or does terrier-work himself and so knows about the obscene cruelty that goes on behind the scene's.
Anyone wanting the whole sordid truth about hunting should check out POWA for the facts! Or check out Wales Against Animal Cruelty to read the comments from a former huntsman who went into all the gory details about the cruel torture of foxes and their cubs. IT IS TRULY HORRIFIC!!!
Oh and nebhunting stop sending abusive mails to my rocketmail address.

21 Oct 2011 10:18 AM

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Nebhunting wrote:

Dear Charley Fox, you just do not have a clue what you are talking about, it's the usual rubbish put out by anti's to try and put people off hunting, so hounds are put down if their colour doesn't match, what total nonsense, I've been involved with hunting for some 35 years so I know what happens and you are just trying to put people against hunting with great untruths, just admit that you are against hunting without the need to tell lies about it. Huntsmen love their hounds and would only put them down with a very good reason and not the nonsense you have said.
Foxes need control, they kill chickens, lambs and many birds and eat the eggs of ground nesting birds, I say long live the hunt.

21 Oct 2011 9:56 AM

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Reynard wrote:

Utter scum....more hunts killing for pleasure despite the ban...its high time the hunting act was really tightened up, and these thugs were put out of business for good.

Get them banned from every village, every town, every bit of land where their not welcome, squeeze them out that way!

Hang your heads in shame you sadistic rednecks...

21 Oct 2011 9:52 AM

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Charley Fox wrote:

Well said Alan - the majority of people in this country detest hunting cruelty and that's without knowing all the facts behind the 'glamour' that hunts portray. Thousands of perfectly healthy dogs are killed off every year because they're not fast enough anymore, or fit enough,or even as a puppy the colour doesn't match the rest of the pack.Try to find a hound after the age of 6 or 7 years old! The usual method of slaughter is shooting and then incinerating or even feeding to the other hounds. Hounds are starved for lengthy periods before a hunt so that they are hunting a fox because they are hungry - that's why if the pack gets a fox you won't find much remaining.
Foxes get the blame for killing new born lambs when in fact the majority of lambs that die in the field are caused through poor husbandry, sickness etc. if a fox comes across a dead lamb it will naturally take it but consequently gets the blame for its death - any excuse to persecute the fox giving a good reason to hunt it. Furthermore, it has been known that hounds rampaging over land have actually killed lambs too - apart from pet dogs and cats.
As for foxes killing hens - I know 2 farmers that free range hundreds of hens and they are not at all bothered by foxes.
There is much about the hunting world that needs exposing not just the cruelty involved in chasing and tearing apart a living creature. There should be spot checks made at hunt kennels as well as more monitoring of what the hunts are getting up to when so-called trail hunting.

21 Oct 2011 8:35 AM

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Pearl Kemp wrote:

Every animal eats meat or vegetatian,so why pick on the fox,your all making exuses and murdering these foxes for pure sport.Also why the hell do you kill deers then when they only eat veg.Answer that then you evil horrible people..

20 Oct 2011 10:56 PM

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AFR wrote:

There have been 9 attempted prosecutions since Fox Hunting became illegal and 6 of them failed.Another example of how the law protects the rich!

20 Oct 2011 6:12 PM

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sam1978 wrote:

Ok so you are all sticking up for the fox here. What about all the owners of the animals that the fox has killed and left behind in pieces, not because it was hungry but just because it can! People who keep lets say chickens free range to produce eggs to provide them with a source of income have their animals destroyed by foxes time and time again. Think about those people who have lost dozens of animals over the years when you are sticking up for the "defenceless" little fox!!!!!

20 Oct 2011 12:32 PM

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NKN56 wrote:

Well said Graham,this is the 21st Century,for goodness sake!
This is just pure blood lust. If the fox is a problem in the countryside,the have a controlled cull like shooting for example.(expect all the old excuses from the pro lobby to be trotted out)
There is no difference between this and a bunch of ch*vs watching 2 staffies tearing each other to bits,execpt one wears red and drinks port/whisky whatever beforehand and the other lot are on the Special Brew and wearing burberry!
The only difference being is that Plod would be out of the blocks to nick the owners of the dogs!
why not go the whole hog and have cockfighting as well?
There is no place in todays society for this cruelty!

20 Oct 2011 10:59 AM

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Graham wrote:

As an independent hunt monitor in the south west, hunts are using Trail hunting as an excuse to carry on as before the Ban. The law needs to enforced not ignored.

We have a pack dogs bred just to persecute defenceless wildlife in a one-sided ritual to titillate sadistic human emotions  -  
Dozens of dogs and human followers, versus a single diminutive fox or our nationally declining brown hare, is truly an immature and cowardly activity by people who unfortunately cannot adapt to 21st century more enlightened values.

20 Oct 2011 8:32 AM

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Alan Kirby wrote:

This shocking behaviour by the Hunt comes as no surprise. You conclude your article by saying Hunts now meet 'with organisers laying a scent for the dogs to track.' Monitors and sabs nationwide, however, testify that for most Hunts this is merely a charade, designed to disguise the fact that they are carrying on hunting as if the ban didn't exist, with the same callous disregard for the welfare and feelings of their animal victims, their own animals and any third parties they should happen to come across while getting their kicks from chasing and killing a terrified creature. No surprise, because this is what they so arrogantly said they'd do before the Act was overwhelmingly passed by our elected representatives with the support of the vast majority of the public. On October 14th, though unreported outside Leicestershire, a Judge threw out the appeal of two Fernie Hunt servants against their earlier conviction for illegally hunting a fox and digging in to a badger sett [from which they bolted the poor animal, with hounds and riders then giving chase]. He accused them - and by extension the whole Hunt hierarchy - of 'cynical subterfuge' by trying to claim that they were actually 'Trail Hunting'. This ruse and several other exemptions, plus a strict requirement to prove intent, combined with the intimidatory at at times downright violent nature of Hunts towards anyone filming their activities, make it incredibly difficult to gather enough evidence to prosecute them successfully, and deters the police from even trying to do this - or even to investigate them properly. Hunts are being allowed to get away with murder. The Hunting Act must not be repealed - as Cameron wants to do for his hunting pals - but significantly strengthened so that these evil perverts are really stopped from cruelly using our wildlife as playthings for their bloodlust.
Visit powa.org.uk for further information - and to see a picture of the fox killed at Studdal that the Mercury was too timid to show. It's just a head and shoulders shot - so no blood and guts. We haven't had access to those pics, but would publish them if we could. It is not until the media are willing to show the reality of what hunting does, and not the chocolate box images always inserted into any hunting story - the people will really understand what vile creatures hunters really are.

20 Oct 2011 2:48 AM

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