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Thursday, February 23 2012

Lansley: Maidstone's maternity unit will close

Public Meeting on health plans and the controversial move of maternity and childrens inpatient services away from Maidstone Hospital. The audience listen.

EXCLUSIVE

Babies and mothers will die - that's the warning from Kent hospital users after today's announcement of a key maternity ward closure.

KentOnline revealed Health Secretary Andrew Lansley has given the go-ahead for Maidstone Hospital's unit to close.

It means maternity services are set to be centralised 15 miles away at Pembury Hospital.

On KentOnline's comments section Sarah wrote: "Maidstone is the county town and central to the area it serves. What possible sense can it make to remove the centre point?

"The roads to Pembury - sorry, lanes to Pembury - are not suitable for the traffic it already has. Look at Hermitage Lane in the snow - imagine the lanes to Pembury?

"Stupidity at it's best."

Health bosses now plan to open a midwife-led birthing unit in the town.

Helen Grant meets Health Secretary

In a letter, Health Secretary Mr Lansley said: "Going forward I have asked the local NHS to ensure they continue to engage with all stakeholders as is appropriate [...] as changes to services continue to be implemented at the Pembury Hospital and the midwife led unit at Maidstone is developed.

"I am asking the Strategic Health Authority, Primary Care Trust and NHS Trust to reconsider the level of paediatric input to the A&E and engage with GPs as the future commissioners of services regarding the appropriate level of specialist input.

"This should not prejudice the centralisation of inpatient services as scheduled.

"My conclusion does not prejudice any future decisions made by local commissioners.

"If in future GPs as commissioners assess that a need for services at Maidstone is unmet, then it will be their prerogative to seek to redesign and commission services on that basis."

In response to our story, Aneka commented: "Have those in charge actually looked at the birth rates in Maidstone and looked at the women having babies in the area?

"A lot of people can't drive and are reliant on our terrible public transport system.

"The roads are awful and how accessable is Pembury in the snow and bad weather? Babies and mothers will die."

The Maidstone and Tunbridge Wells NHS Trust also wanted to reduce the hours for paediatric care at Maidstone Hospital under its reconfiguration plans, but Mr Lansley has asked for that to be reviewed.

He said the availability of specialist care for children should be reviewed by local health agencies and future GP commissioners.

Members of campaign group Maidstone Action for Services in Hospital (MASH), including Helen Grant MP for Maidstone and the Weald, are currently seeking clarification from the Department of Health.

Senior Editor of the Kent Messenger Bob Bounds with the Kent Messenger's campaign Dossier to save Maternity at Maidstone Hospital.

Dennis Fowle, chairman of Maidstone Action for Services in Hospital, said: "I am concerned about the letter from the Secretary of State.

"The news does not look good but it is but we believe it is unclear. We are currently seeking clarification."

But the decision has been welcome by the local NHS Trusts.

Glenn Douglas, chief executive of Maidstone and Tunbridge Wells NHS Trust, said: "These important changes make the very best use of the skills and expertise that exist within our clinical teams for patients and maintain the highest and safest standards of care for women and children throughout the south of West Kent.

"The Secretary of State has agreed the plans should go ahead, and his decision is based on assurances from local and national experts. We can now move forward with clarity and confidence.

"The changes will provide pregnant women in Maidstone with a new range of choices to discuss with their midwives in addition to the existing network of services that includes those at Ashford and Medway.

"Their choices will be well informed, individual to their needs and above all safe.

"There is a strong future for the hospitals in Pembury and Maidstone, which will provide a range of specialist services to complement each other and benefit the local community."

Marion Dinwoodie, chief executive of NHS West Kent, said: "We welcome this decision and can now move forward with implementing the plans.

"We recognise there are still some concerns about the changes, and we are committed to continuing to address these and give local people the confidence they need in their women and children's services.

"We look forward to engaging further with local people as the implementation progresses."

The ruling follows a long-running campaign to keep the Maidstone unit open.

Lib Dem Councillor Peter Carroll launched a group called Full Maternity at Maidstone last September.

It had the backing of retired maternity consultant, Alan Pentecost, who founded the Maidstone Maternity Unit in 1974.

And campaign group MASH also called for the full range of services to stay in Maidstone.

Last year letters were sent to 20,000 women as part of a campaign calling for all maternity services to stay in Maidstone.

And in September hundreds of people gathered at a public meeting to tell health bosses in no uncertain terms they did not want to lose their maternity services.

MP Helen Grant told the meeting in a rousing speech: "Our community has spoken out loud and clear.

"We have no hidden agenda. We are not asking for anything new and we don't want something extra, we simply want to retain our existing services and the maintain genuine choices for our community.

"The evidence against downgrading of our hospital is powerful. These plans are wrong and dangerous and they will lead to fatalities."

Mr Lansley and his predecessor Andy Burnham have also been repeated lobbied.

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  • Martin wrote:

    I regularly drive lorries along A228/B2015 and have done so at all hours of the day or night.

    While convoy would be the wrong word, I meet streams of lorries either heading to or from Paddock Wood or Supermarket lorries heading for stores to the south. Practically all the supermarkets use this route. It is not unusual to meet five coming towards you and to be able to see two or three either ahead or behind you. This would also be true in the middle of the night.
    While some of the route is dual carriageway, this is only a short section.I would therefore strongly dispute any conclusions about a safe and easy journey, drawn by the inspecting politicians or their representatives.
    Considering the number of fatal accidents on the A26 part of this route, I suppose we shall sadly be reading of a fatal or serious collision relating to a hospital journey before that long.

    20 Jan 2011 12:16 PM

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  • d hepel wrote:

    "Proposed cuts to paediatric services at the Horton mean any mothers suffering complications during birth will have to be rushed to the John Radcliffe in Oxford, what Mr Cameron called a 'dreadful prospect' funny that only applies in your own backyard Mr C
    chippingnorton.net/cameronnews.htm

    19 Jan 2011 11:15 PM

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  • d hepel wrote:

    intrestingly the pm helped to fight the loss in his own constituency
    keepthehortongeneral.org/

    19 Jan 2011 11:08 PM

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  • Virginia Bodkin wrote:

    CB - are you mad?? You are giving an example of how you thanked God for your daughters' survival (even though you're not particularly religious!!) as an example of how it doesn't make a difference where the hospital is - either a baby will survive or it won't???? Please!! "Perspective required...."!!!

    03 Jan 2011 7:09 PM

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  • Emma wrote:

    provincial and trivial?, this side of the uk can't cope with a little bit of blasted snow for pity sake, I don't think the risk of taking a mother with complications during labour to pembury as provincial and trivial, how many what ifs need to be answered by the mother losing a baby. that if Maidstone kept it's maternity unit would have more then likely survived? They bang on about timming and speed of dealing with emergancies. being the key to save a life, yet they put more pressure on the emergency services as they are transporting the mothers with complications from Maidstone centre of a busy town "birthing unit" 30 mins down the (country) road to pembury. Where's the speed in that??????

    03 Jan 2011 2:02 AM

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  • CB wrote:

    Nonsense - all patient decisions are taken on a case-by-case basis. Most births take place without complication - those that do can be transferred or a consultant brought in.

    Get some perspective, please. If they can manage complicated births in the Highlands and Islands, they can manage in Maidstone. It's no different to when a patient may be referred to a centre of excellence for specific care or treatment.

    I speak from experience, so feel qualified to offer my thoughts. I guess with another baby due soon, the proof will be in the pudding. I am confident that either Maidstone or Pembury could deal with the worst case scenario, though my preference is Pembury due to the excellence previously experienced.

    Some of the comments on here are so provincial and trivial, that they even miss the points of the arguments previously put forward in opposition to this decision. Perspective required . . .

    29 Dec 2010 2:17 PM

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  • Emma wrote:

    Not only will this move put unborn babies and their mother at severe risk what bout putting more pressure onto our ambulance service, as I'm sure it would be them who will be transporting these poor people to Pembury during these "unforeseen" complications!!!!! there for not only with the mother and unborn babies be at risk but also the rest of maidstone community who may require the emergency services!!!! STUPID, STUPID move -once again the public get ignored!!! every county should have a maternity unit not "a birthing unit.
    Where is this birthing unit going to be??? amongst an extremely busy town centre where its constantly busy with heavy traffic let alone during the Christmas period where you can be sitting in quest for any length of time just to get around the one way system

    28 Dec 2010 10:52 PM

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  • PB wrote:

    My daughter-in-law arrived at the Maidstone Maternity Unit (5.30 am) for a normal birth after her waters broke. On the face of it everything seemed normal until a routine examination highlighted that the baby was in danger of suffocating because of a prolapsed umbilical cord. The crash team were summoned and minutes later the baby was born (<5 minutes) by an emergency caesarian - any longer he would certainly have died.
    Andrew Lansley has been made aware of this case and many more like it. How can he be so blind when any delay caused by a transfer to Pembury taking 20 minutes can only result in the baby dying. He isn't that stupid I'm sure but his judgement is surely being clouded by cost savings and Conservative ideological dogma.
    Andrew Lansley, please let us know your exact reasoning in making the decision. We deserve to know !.

    26 Dec 2010 3:48 PM

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  • NB wrote:

    I think parents would rather than childs life was in the hands of dedicated experts at Maidstone Hospital rather than god as they make an unneccessary transfer to Pembury.

    It is true some babies don't pull through but every baby deserves to have the best possible care to increase their chances of survival.



    26 Dec 2010 1:35 PM

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  • CB wrote:

    NB and BB - we all have a story to tell. Babies are an emotive subject, particularly when born in complicated circumstances. However, my story below demonstrates just how much can be achieved via a midwife and GP, even in the remote highlands. Also, our daughter nearly didn't make it - as the helicopter landed at Dundee her numbers all dropped massively. For her surviving that, we don't thank the nurses/consultants but God(and we are not particularly religious).

    Some things are meant to be - in our case, our daughter survived at 31 weeks born in the middle of nowhere.

    It is important to keep perspective and sadly, as we found at Pembury, some poor little babies don't pull through. Even when surrounded by expertise and care, it isn't enough.

    Moving the centre of expertise to Pembury is not a problem. It is the model for many successful health care networks - Maidstone will manage perfectly well with a midwife led unit. When the media hype and political bandwagon's stop, all that will have changed will be location.

    Interestingly, our local MP who has championed this cause (and who we voted for) was less keen to support the petition for 1:1 healthcare for neonates in special care - strange really, as the two are inextricably linked but the need for specialist care for SCBU babies is paramount, compared to the regular deliveries that happen day-in, day-out, via midwife led units.

    One day, Maidstone Hospital will be rebuilt and all specialist care will no doubt return to Maidstone - then it will be "Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells" who feels aggrieved.

    26 Dec 2010 10:30 AM

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  • BB wrote:

    I totally agree NB, when my son was born 8 yrs ago I went to Maidstone Hospital quite happy and content and after a couple of hours of normal labour his heart rate suddenly dropped and all hell broke loose, before I knew it I was surrounded by hourds of medics preping me for an emergency C-Section, if this were to have happened now my son would have died.

    I bet Mr Lansley and his nearest and dearest don't have to travel 15 miles down unsuitable roads to get to his local maternity unit. Maidstone is my local hospital and I live 8 miles away from it, if I have to travel to Pembury I would have to travel 23 miles to get there including through Colt's Hill which for anybody who knows the area knows it's a nightmare at the best of times.

    All I can say is that I'm bloody glad I'm not planning on having any more children because frankly I don't fancy our chances if I did.

    24 Dec 2010 8:03 PM

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  • NB wrote:

    Maidstone is not a small town in the middle of nowhere, it is the county town of Kent with a large and growing population and therefore needs its own consultant led maternity services.

    Secondly what may first turn out to be a routine pregnancy can quickly turn into an emergency during labour and in some cases there will not be time to get to Pembury from Maidstone to prevent the loss of life. This is not scaremongering, this is a fact.

    Lansley's decision shows a blatant disregard for human life and i hope he will have the decency to explain his decision to any parent who loses their child due to not getting to Pembury in time.

    24 Dec 2010 4:09 PM

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  • nm wrote:

    There needs to be some rational non emotional thought brought to this debate. It is no longer possible for everyone to have high class care in a hospital on the doorstep. One moment everyone moans that there are not enough staff, not enough Consultants etc etc and then when the solution is proposed ie centralisation everyone objects. You cannot have it both ways. You will either have to travel or take the risk of poor quality care in small units. The residents of East Anglia or Cornwall just laugh when the people of Kent whinge about travelling 20 miles - need to get a sense of proportion.

    24 Dec 2010 2:09 PM

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  • RC wrote:

    10 years ago the Kent and Canterbury Hospital was 'downgraded' with a birthing unit replacing the previous Consultant lead Maternity Unit. A big campaign took place and support was asked for from all in Kent including Anne Widdecombe. There was deafening silence and East Kent was left to fight on its own. Now you know what it is like to be sacrificed to save money.

    24 Dec 2010 2:01 PM

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  • CB wrote:

    I thought it might be worth telling a story about our daughter's birth . . . She was born at 31 weeks on the Isle of Skye with no maternity unit of any kind. The baby was breech and the birth overseen by a midwife and local GP, with telephone support from a consultant in Inverness. Our daughter was delivered and then put in an open-incubator, before we were all flown by a Royal Navy helicopter (scrambled from Prestwick) over the mountains to Ninewells Hospital in Dundee. She stayed in Dundee for ten days before being flown to Pembury (via Biggin Hill). We will never forget the professionalism and kindness of everybody involved, particularly the welcome we were given on transferring to Pembury.

    The birth was achieved with little intervention by a competent midwife and GP. It was high risk due to breech position and prematurity, and complicated by the remote geographic location.

    Please don't scaremonger people with stories of doom and gloom, traffic-jam led deaths etc. If it's a simple, routine birth then it can be managed at Maidstone. Anything more complicated can go to Pembury - there is no problem.

    24 Dec 2010 10:50 AM

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  • CB wrote:

    I can't believe there's a debate about this. Maidstone Hospital is dirty and outdated. Pembury is state-of-the-art and (in our own experience) has superb nurses and consultants, particularly in the neonatal department. My wife and I shuddered at the dirty floors when we had the misfortune to go to Maidstone Hospital for an early scan in 2008. The whole place needs an overhaul. (This is not to say that Maidstone doesn't also have superb nurses...)

    24 Dec 2010 10:34 AM

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  • john wrote:

    Personally my wife and I are looking forward to the birth of our child in the new state of the art Hospital in pembury in six plus weeks time.

    Maidstone is still by the sounds of it going to have a midwife led unit.

    Pembury with its single on suite rooms really is the way forward.

    24 Dec 2010 2:15 AM

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  • Ratso wrote:

    Why would anyone go to Pembury when they can go to Gillingham?

    23 Dec 2010 5:19 PM

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  • Sarah wrote:

    Can I echo what Chrissie has said, a big thanks to Peter Carroll for the time he has put into saving our maternity unit. The closure is a big blow to all mothers in the area and I find it hard to beleive that as the county town of kent, maidstone has lost the unit. How long before a tragedy happens to either a mother or new born baby? I so hope they realise the risks they are taking with lives!

    23 Dec 2010 11:06 AM

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  • chrissie wrote:

    Can I just start by saying a big thankyou to Peter Carroll for fighting so hard and so long for the mothers and babies in Maidstone. Today's decision is appalling!!! It would not be so bad if there was a direct and quick road link to Pembury, but no one has taken into account how long the journey is in the rush hour and bad weather. I am certain that there will be deaths as a result of this. Someone somewhere should have listened!! A normal birth can go wrong in a second, all those responsible for making this decision should hang their heads in shame and be held directly responsible for their actions when babies and mums start to die as they surely will!!!!

    22 Dec 2010 10:54 PM

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  • Sarah wrote:

    I have travelled from Maidstone to Pembury every morning for 3 years leaving Maidstone at about 7.15am Every day (including school holidays) it takes a minimum of 45 minutes, often far longer due to the regularity of accidents at Colts Hill. The thought of having to do that journey while in labour fills me with absolute dread. This was the wrong decision!!!

    22 Dec 2010 10:49 PM

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  • King Herod wrote:

    I'm retiring. The Trust are doing a more effective job than I ever could.

    22 Dec 2010 7:37 PM

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  • Jo wrote:

    Once again Money rules over life!!

    The fat cats of the NHS have got their way...Pembury was built & now they have to make it pay...paying with mothers & childs life!!!!!

    Im so appalled at this....so the people were ignored, MPS ignored, Mothers Ignored, Fathers Ignored, Experts Ignored, GPS Ignored...shall I go on......so much for democray!

    In the snow lets say 6hrs to get to Pembury????

    22 Dec 2010 6:22 PM

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  • Jemma Hill wrote:

    This is just ridiculous. They are pushing out the most vulnerable - what on earth do they expect to happen when they deny access to those who need more specialist care? Have they not thought out the consequences of making only the people who need extra medical attention drive (if they have the luxury of a license; I don't) all the way out to pbury, or navigate the traffic mire that is Medway?

    I have epilepsy and had a seizure during labour. If that had happened in an ambulance driving down poor roads, how would I have fared? As it is when I had my son I was told that Pembury was full and they were on divert to Maidstone. When pregnant with my daughter this summer my midwife told me they hadn't even selected a stie for the new birthing unit, let alone got planning permission or built it. Yet the downgrading date for Maidstone is tentatively next summer! Ridiculous!

    22 Dec 2010 6:16 PM

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  • Liza wrote:

    Unlike most of the people commenting here I am pleased with the decision. I gave birth in Maidstone hospital and it was utterly awful including the midwife going for her tea break during the time I was pushing. It was dirty and the subsequent 3 day stay I had there was enough to make me never want to go back again. The majority of pregnancies don't necessitate more intervention than a midwive led centre could provide and if people aren't willing to use the new Maidstone one then all they are showing is they have no faith in the midwives they claim are so capable at the hospital now.

    22 Dec 2010 5:46 PM

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  • jane wrote:

    I have known 3 young girls who WOULD NOT have reached Pembury to have their babies. One had hers in the A & E department at Maidstone although was told to go to Pembury.

    22 Dec 2010 3:27 PM

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  • the best part of censorship is **** wrote:

    "Hello - I know this is incredibily short notice so please forgive me. The BBC would like to interview some maidstone mums or mums to be about this terrible decision. It would mean being at the main entrance of Maidstone Hospital today (the 22nd) at 3.20pm."

    22 Dec 2010 3:06 PM

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  • Dave Webb wrote:

    Isn't it the People of Maidstone and surrounding who decide what facilities we want?

    Not Some overpayed bigot in London who hasnt got a clue.

    Ridiculously our taxes are paying his wages and as he isn't doing his job properly (Doing what the people want) we should sack him and get someone else!

    People of maidstone and surrounding do not accept this decision fight against it! This facility is vital in our ever increasing population!

    22 Dec 2010 2:51 PM

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  • Gary Cooke wrote:

    A huge disappointment especially in view of the Secretary of State's insistence that the decision be supported by local GP's who (with almost unanimity opposed what the Trust planned for Maidstone. That opposition was supported was supported by an overwhelming majority at Maidstone's only public meeting that I was proud to help organise. KCC's health committee voted to retain full maternity services at Maidstone which was also supported by Maidstone Borough Council. I hope that the request to review the decision concerning paediatric care will lead to a more positive outcome. Sadly, for all the assurances from the NHS Trust, my firm believe is that this is a decision based entirely upon the financial position of Pembury to the detriment of Maidstone.

    22 Dec 2010 2:43 PM

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  • Aneka wrote:

    This is terrible news. The county town of Kent is losing it's maternity unit. Have those in charge actually looked at the birth rates in Maidstone and looked at the women having babies in the area, a lot of people can't drive and are reliate on our terrible public transport system which is fine if you only want to travel between 9am and 5pm and want to spend a fortune on it. The roads are awful and how accessable is Pembury in the snow and bad weather. Babies and mothers will die. I hope that everyone who is unfortunate to be affected by these changes in a bad way sue to hospital. Prehaps if they get sued every time something goes wrong and it is the consequence of them moving the maternity unit then they will realise what they have done. We have to make them pay.

    22 Dec 2010 1:48 PM

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  • Sarah wrote:

    Maidstone is the County town, it is central to the area it serves. What possible sense can it make to remove the centre point? The roads to Pembury - sorry, lanes to Pembury are not suitable for the traffic that they already have. Look at Hermitage Lane in the snow - imagine the lanes to Pembury?
    Stupidity at it's best.

    22 Dec 2010 1:31 PM

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  • Sarah R, Maidstone wrote:

    Agree with all the comments here that this is an appalling decision!! I'll likely have to see a consultant for any future births due to complications with my (healthy) daughter...so that means a nice trip to Pembury does it?!
    They is no forethought or afterthought for the people of the community - it makes me utterly sick. Cutting costs where they've overspent in others, cutting costs in life-saving areas - excellent idea, truly excellent.

    22 Dec 2010 1:23 PM

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  • Jeffers wrote:

    PS.
    The photo says it all!
    A smug, complacent man who really
    has no idea of what he has done.
    If a baby dies because of this he won't lose two seconds of sleep over it, and he will, no doubt, blame the staff who have to attempt to work with the entirely irresponsible changes that he has wrought. So much for democracy!

    22 Dec 2010 1:07 PM

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  • sarah wrote:

    My daughter would be dead if I had had to travel to Pembury - simple as.
    Somebody somewhere thinks they know what they are doing but what price on a new born babies life?

    22 Dec 2010 1:04 PM

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  • Jeffers wrote:

    I expect Mr. Lansley and his family are catered for by private medical care and thus don't have to be too concerned by this ridiculous change and any others he has planned for the NHS. We're heading for something similar to the US system where people with little money simply don't get the treatment they require.
    He should instead be targeting the drug companies who have been hanging the NHS out to dry for decades

    22 Dec 2010 12:57 PM

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  • Sophie from Maidstone wrote:

    What a stupid, stupid decision!! I had my daughter at Maidstone hospital in 2006 & I was treated really poorly there but if I had a way of having her somewhere else I wouldve but it wasn't possible.
    It's a hospital for crying out loud.
    This will just cost more in Ambulances & staff because not everyone can drive especially if your giving birth & not all the ambulances can be out of the area.
    Shame on you' This would be a male's descision wouldn't it? Selfish, Selfish, Selfish......

    22 Dec 2010 12:54 PM

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  • Penelope Clearwater wrote:

    This is disgusting. All the campaigning that was done to try to save this unit and everyones voices were ignored. And we live in a democracy! Awful news just before Christmas :o(

    22 Dec 2010 12:51 PM

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  • Jan wrote:

    I live near Maidstone and had real problems giving birth to my son (who is thankfully okay). If we'd had to take the trip to Pembury I am convinced that one, or both, of us would not have made it!! What a bloody stupid decision - one that will be deeply regretted!!! What a very sad day indeed!!!!! Well done Mr Lansley!!!!

    22 Dec 2010 12:46 PM

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  • Zoe wrote:

    I agree SoldDownTheRiver Typical of a man making the decision when it's not them having the babies.

    22 Dec 2010 12:23 PM

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  • SoldDownTheRiver wrote:

    How many babies will die every year because of this stupid decision? On your head be it Lansley and all your idiot box-ticking NHS managers.

    22 Dec 2010 12:14 PM

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