Kent Police complaints revealed

D.V.S.O wrote:

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Kent may be next.

16 Mar 2011 10:39 AM

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D.V.S.O wrote:

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16 Mar 2011 10:38 AM

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Out of county resident wrote:

A few months ago i was telephoned by a high ranking officer within the Kent police.

He informed me that a Kent resident, the subject of a 3 year non molestation order, which has been breached over 100 times since july 2010 will under no circumstances be arrested by the Kent police.

That is failure of duty of care.

16 Mar 2011 6:40 AM

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Interested Citizen wrote:

Ah, most sorry. Having just read my own post, there are spelling mistakes which I failed to spot. Self flagellation will now take place.
Apologies.

05 Sep 2010 3:11 PM

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Interested Citizen wrote:

Looking at the comments posted, there seem to be a fair few generalisations and assumptions being made. NOT all Police offciers are the same, in the same way that Docotrs etc. are all very different. Sadly, it is the actions of a few (or relatively few) which cause a general aura of aloofness, aggression or otherwise unpopular images. Please remember that they are, in the main, attemtping to SERVE a public whose expectations can be unrealistic and subject to spin, just like politicians. There will never be a perfect service due to the nature of individual expectations, experiences and attitudes. You can't please all the people all the time, as a wise person once said (remembering to be fully PC compliant there!).
Love to all.

05 Sep 2010 3:09 PM

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DS wrote:

Maybe the police should really do nothing and help nobody for just a few hours, then we will see how much we really need them! The problem is that they have become gloryfied social workers having to step into people's trival arguments. Even to the extent that people phone them to complain that someone has slagged someone else off on Facebook!! Senior management doesnt help either but nor does the general attitude towards the police in this country!

04 Sep 2010 11:47 PM

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James Trent wrote:

Dos Aquis, I've seen riots on the continent a couple of times and the Police there may have been firm but they did not club innocent bystanders to the ground as with Iain Tomlinson and the numerous other incidents we have seen in recent years. Confidence in the integrity of the Police is at an all time low and complaints against them at an all time high. Why do you think that is? Read the comments on all the newspaper sites if you want to get an idea of how the police are regarded nowadays. Even the eminent historian and social commentator, Dr David Starkey condemmned them roundly for their behaviour on QT last year. Another thing he mentioned was the way they dress nowadays, in black paramilitary uniforms which are designed to intimidate and set them apart from those they are supposed to "serve".

The problem is that the police are no longer perceived to be on our side. They are seen as an aloof, arrogant, revenue generating operation that regards the public with contempt and dresses in a manner that would be more at home on the set of a Rambo film. Hammering easy targets like motorists whilst ignoring real crime. Who is to blame for that? I used to be a fervent supporter of the Police until they started skulking about in the bushes with speed cameras and showing not the slightest interest when people broke into my car, scammed my credit card or stole my property. When the videos of things like the Tomlinson incident started appearing I lost faith in them all together. But then, as you say, "I don't know I've been born". I don't know if you are a policeman but that is just the sort of ill informed, comment that one might make if subjected to the mildest form of critisism.

04 Sep 2010 5:16 AM

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Dos Aquis wrote:

James Trent - Tell you what, go and live in Columbia or Thailand for a few years - then let me know what you think about an authoritarian regime.
Yes, I know you said 'Europe', so next time you see a riot in France, or Spain or Germany watch the police very carefully. See what they carry in their hands? Wooden clubs that are 4 feet long or a baton round gun to fire plastic bullets and/or tear gas. And they do use them with monotous regularity. On their hips? A semi-automatic pistol - and they will use it if they have to. What's that behind them? Oh its a water cannon truck - and they do use them whether they need to or not.
If THE POLICE in England and Wales did nothing you would be the first to bleat that the police are to weak and ineffective. You do not know you have been born!

03 Sep 2010 10:58 PM

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Dos Aquis wrote:

Katie - you can't have it both ways. You say "The police have been of no use/help to me or my friends" yet you say not ALL police do a bad job. Make up your mind! THE POLICE or not ALL THE POLICE. Your generalisations speak volumes.
In your job "people do not assault people" Well you're lucky then because in your job you probably don't ever have to get in the way of dealing with the drugged up, drink sodden under class. Surely police are there to intervene when bad people do bad things - how do they do that then? You would be the first to complain if THE POLICE didn't stop someone from hurting you or your loved ones for fear of 'assaulting people'. If they stood there and asked the aggressor very nicely to stop punching you in the head but did nothing else what would you say then? Why aren't THE POLICE doing anything to stop them? Just think about what you are saying for Lord's sake. Your opinion stinks.

03 Sep 2010 10:48 PM

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James Trent wrote:

Someone on Question Time recently pointed out that there have been over 1000 deaths in Police Custody in recent years and there has not been one conviction. Not one. The Police, like much of the public sector are drunk on power and out of control. We live under the most repressive, authoritarian regime in Europe and those that police and enforce that regime are virtually unaccountable.

03 Sep 2010 9:51 PM

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Katie wrote:

In reply to Dos. It is very different - in my job, staff do not assualt people as stated in the news article. The reasons I think this is because times when myself or friends have needed assistance from the police. My car being broken into, my friends having things stolen from garden, car being vandalised and other times because of other people. The police have been of no use/help to me or my friends. I have more respect for fireman and ambulance staff because they deserve it. When police officers start to show respect for the public I will do the same for them. There are 3812 police officers employed in Kent - I am not saying they ALL do a bad job, just getting my opinion across like everyone else with their comments.

03 Sep 2010 11:07 AM

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Interested Citizen wrote:

I would imagine there are complaints which have a basis. Equally, I would think there are complaints which are made out of pure spite or in an effort to avoid prosecution. Go on, hands up, who on here is perfect? Moan about the Police as much as you like, but you'll probably need them one day. Enjoy the view from your moral high ground.

03 Sep 2010 9:24 AM

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Dos Aquis wrote:

Wow Richard that is one huge axe that you are grinding there! This probably isn't the right place to air your many grievances - please spare us.
He's gone - won't bring him him back - just leave it and move on.

Katie - How very, very naive of you. I am sure that in your job people make unfounded complaints against your co-workers - does that make them any less able? It must be bloomin' tough being a police officer, especially when faced with people with views like yours.

03 Sep 2010 8:06 AM

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Kelly wrote:

Dan C: You should NEVER leave an animal unattended in a car, even on a "cloudy day in May" because clouds clear, water gets drunk and dogs can get very hot very quickly. Would you leave your kids in the car under the same circumstances? I doubt it. You deserved to have your window smashed and to be sniggered at.

Having said that, it's nice to see the police dealing with the easy stuff again instead of the yobbos and drunks in the street. Maybe they were filling in time before resuming their shift behind a speed camera somewhere.

02 Sep 2010 2:20 PM

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Richard Card wrote:

Further to my comment about 11 successful appeals to IPCC compelling Kent Police to record complaints.

When I started the complaint process the position of Kent Police was that David O'Leary was shot by an intruder lurking with a shotgun in his home. That David entered his house to find power was off and whilst his partner went to the electricity consumer unit David was shot in the darkness. That it is not known whether the partner restored power.

The extent of police murder inquiries re the power cut were to ask the electricity board if there had been area power cut. NO. Police then concluded that the intruder had switched power off and the fact power was off proved there was a waiting intruder (A circular argument of no evidential value)

My inquiries revealed that power cuts were frequent events and due to an earth fault on the electric gates installation.

The partner evidence is that she ran and pressed the electric gate actuator button but the gates moved too slowly for her to pause to make her escape that way. From which it can be inferred that she had restored power at the consumer unit. From which it can be inferred that all the houses outside PIR movement detector lights were illuminated individually timing down to their standby modes.

Were the electric gates fob operated and had the power cut resulted from someone trying to open them ? David's Merc was in garage for body repair. Police never forensically examined it. Were gate operating fobs with it ?

My inquiries reveal that David was driving a black Navarra in the week of his death. Was it at the murder scene and was it forensically tested ? Plod refuse to answer.

The electoral roll shows a co-occupant called John Fisher. Did POlice check him out ? Oh dear plod had not checked the electoral roll for evidence of other occupiers of David's home.

Police say nothing of value went missing. Recently we asked about property worth £300,000 and its history. POlice refuse to answer.

A Rolex seized at the murder scene was not forensically tested. Was DNA of an assailant in its damaged strap ? POlice deny negligence in failing to test for DNA in the damaged watch strap !

Power cuts triggered an alarm system. Had David disabled this or if it was still operative how could it have been reset to silence other than by someone who knew the code ? (Such as the co-occupant Police never checked for)

To deny negligence POlice Pro Standards make much use in their reports to IPCC of two things:

(1) ACPO guidelines

(2) The word "Proportionate"

ACPO seems to set a minimum standard of murder inquiry. Sort of primary school ability stuff. And the word "Proportionate" from a police pen means "We did not test because we doubted the result would tell us anything"

Whereas a rational approach (and Kent POlice are in an irrational reality all of their own) would be to test to obtain a result. If the result is informative then include it in evidence. If the result rules out possibilities then include it in evidence.

Kent Police really are a force unfit for purpose. The IPCC is not the answer people hoped for.

02 Sep 2010 1:16 PM

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nagged husband wrote:

My wife is a police officer and I am always complaing to her, fetch me more drink fetch my slippers, pass the remote

02 Sep 2010 1:09 PM

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Richard Card wrote:

I think our total of complaints of negligence in the David O'Leary murder inquiry (Valley Road Margate 1st March 2008) now run to ELEVEN.

What happens is a system favouring the police in spite of the 2004 creation of IPCC.

First Police refuse to record disciplinary and crime complaint against officers.

Then appeal to IPCC gains a direction to police to record and investigate.

The standard of police report back to IPCC is laughable.

Basically police deny all and claim their conclusion is based on a proper inquiry.

At this time I have such an inquiry on further appeal to IPCC. The police report (By a Det Ch Supt no less) is based entirely on hearsay and features no dates for the events cited.

In fact all the events cited occurred AFTER the matters complained of. The police report implies that the events played a role in a chronology before the complaint event.

In short nonsense.

Mind you the police claim that "Complaints were not substantiated" is TRUE. What they fail to tell you is that the complaints were all capable of being substantiated but Pro Standards avoided doing so by raising a story worthy of Lewis Carrol.

02 Sep 2010 12:43 PM

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D wrote:

Please can we remember that many complaints against police are made by the criminals that are being repremanded, who are merely chancing that they might get off if they make a compliant. They also do it to make life difficult for the arresting officer,as Officers have to carry these complaints with them on there record for some time even when they are total nonsense. It a shame the public cant be more appreciative of these men and women who risk there lives everyday.

02 Sep 2010 12:21 PM

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Katie wrote:

I thought the police are there to set an example and give people someone to respect, look up to and feel safe with. This just shows that they are no better than than anyone else and obviously do not not feel proud to be doing the job they do. The police get 10.5% from Medway Council tax - I am sure this could be better spent on the recruitment process for new officers as someone does not seem to be doing a good job of this at the moment. I am sure there are still many officers who are proud to be doing the job they do. This should be the same for all officers.

02 Sep 2010 11:52 AM

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Dan C wrote:

Coming into contact with the police is never a good experience. Once left my dog in a car in the shade of a tree in May, on a cloudy day, with sun roofs open and bowl of water, for almost exactly 30 mins. When I got back, window smashed, 2 police cars, refused to help clear up glass despite having 2 young children with me. They then followed me, grinning and laughing. Complaint went nowhere.

02 Sep 2010 11:33 AM

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Jock wrote:

I had to brake extremely heavily on the A20, one day. A police officer had put a police stop sign in the road, on a blind bend, with no prior warning. I just managed to avoid the sign.

As I drove past, amazed at the sheer stupidity of the placement of the sign, the police officer, in uniform, gave obscene hand gestures and mouthed "w**ker" at me !!!

My Wife and I were dumbstruck !!

I hope whoever that officer was is one of the people on the receiving end of drastic cuts.

02 Sep 2010 11:20 AM

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S wrote:

Whilst Policing in Kent has evolved, we hear stories of Police in Kent taking a heavy handed approach in particular with the younger generation. Those who commit a crime from that generation need to be reprimanded but those innocent get treated 'all as one' and with the same brush. I have recently heard a story of someone being forced to state something of which evidence proves otherwise and having heard of this treatment, it doesnt give you much faith in the Police.

02 Sep 2010 10:59 AM

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dave wrote:

with the cuts that 131 should be the first to go and to save money sack them dont make them redundant

02 Sep 2010 9:58 AM

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