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Thursday, May 24 2012

Video: Orangemen march 'was peaceful'

Orange Order march takes place in Gillingham

Words: Lynn Cox

Video: Alan McGuinness

The controversial Orange Order march through Gillingham on Saturday passed off without incident.

Around a thousand members of the Protestant organisation walked through the streets of Gillingham on their first Kent parade.

There was no sign of a counter-march which was rumoured to have been planned in other parts of the town.

The Medway Martyrs, an Orange Order group set up in 2007, were the hosts of the event and they were supported by members of other orders from across the country.

Orange Order march in MedwayBefore they set off from the Naval Memorial on the Great Lines, members laid wreaths in memory of their members and others who died during the both world wars.

Their annual gathering didn't cause to many delays for motorists and police staged rolling police closures to more than a dozen roads.

Organisers did promise a peaceful and unprovocative parade, which saw people wearing orange sashes.

Two bands joined the march one at the front and another at the back.

According to rumours circulating earlier this week, protesters were planning a simultaneous counter-march from The Strand, in Pier Road, before a rally outside the Sunlight Centre, in Richmond Road, but that never occurred.

A debate had been raging on the Medway Messenger website all week, with about 200 comments - including those urging residents to barricade their roads - but many people living in the towns lined the streets and welcomed the parade.

In some roads those who took part in the march were met with spontaneous rounds of applause.

Orange Order march in MedwayAfter the parade, Chief Inspector Peter de Lozey said: "Today's parade in Gillingham by the Orange Order went by peacefully and without incident."

The Orange Order regards itself as defending civil and religious liberties of Protestants, is best known for its parades in Northern Ireland.

Ron Bather, Grand Master of Orange Lodge of England, said afterwards he was pleased with how the march went and was happy to have held his first Kent march in Gillingham.

He added: "There was a pleasant atmosphere, people did come out to see and enjoy the parade.

He added Gillingham was chosen to "show support for the new but pro-active lodge".

Medway Martyrs Loyal Orange Lodge 652 was formed with 14 members in November 2007 - the first Orange Lodge in Medway since the Second World War.

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  • leighton evans wrote:

    the kebab shop was attacked by a group of edl. nothing to do with the orange order.

    20 Jun 2011 3:08 PM

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  • Mark G wrote:

    Why do some people on here take such offence to a parade by loyalists of this once great nation?
    It completely baffles me why all the cheap put downs, and the snide remarks.
    If you really are that offended (and for the life of me i can't think why) then why didn't you exercise your right to a civil protest.
    No, instead we get the sad put downs, name calling & down right childishness.

    24 Jan 2011 5:21 PM

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  • kebab wrote:

    Anyone figured out what local chav did that kebab house in yet. I've heard on another forum its a drug hole anyway.

    Also - a pickled egg was stolen from the local chippy today on the high st - is it too late to blame the lodge?

    29 Sep 2010 7:05 PM

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  • Who gives a toss wrote:

    There are thousands of Irish bars across the world.....

    Go in there in a rangers shirt and see the wrath of the pathetic little people.....

    Does anyone on here actually work? Or is that just the good people that dont post. Does this forum entertain Kent Chavs between porn sites?

    29 Sep 2010 7:01 PM

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  • Well Said! wrote:

    Go on - name that pub.

    29 Sep 2010 5:56 PM

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  • english and proud wrote:

    The MM - Medway Meatheads is a brilliant pseudonym for them by the way - or a good few of them are also members of a 'Rangers' supporters club who have just taken control of a local medway pub, or should i say the landlord and landlady have sold out the locals to this group of bigots! i have been in this pub when they've been in there and was witness to there wonderful songs, most of which the children were encouraged to join in. That wern't hymns they were singing believe me. I could actually put names to faces - so lets not pretend it's all about religion and loyalism cos it aint!!! The Pub in questions has pictures of king william of orange and lots of orange pharaphanlia, as well as a ceiling full of rangers shirts, but the ones i've seen in there (who do happen to be mostly large and bald!) are not in it for the reasons they pretend. Go in there in a celtic shirt and see the wrath of the pathetic little people, then tell me its all about religion!!!

    29 Sep 2010 4:29 PM

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  • OO Death Cult? wrote:

    So free speech is ok when intolerant bigots want to march in a town where they are clearly not wanted, but to state you oppose such intolerance and bigotry in this forum should not be allowed?

    What really annoys me though is the OO linking themselves to war dead and using that as an excuse to propogate religious intolerance and provocatively march. It's almost as if the OO are a death cult. What would they do to justify their existence if there hadn't been 2 world wars. Provoke a conflict in NI?

    29 Sep 2010 1:03 PM

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  • Have some sense please wrote:

    I'd suggest that the Medway Messanger close this comments section immediately and preferably remove all comments - it has spiralled out of control and is pure abuse, particularly from those opposed to the parade. These sort of coments do no one particularly the GOOD people Gillingham, any use.

    28 Sep 2010 6:29 PM

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  • can we all stop swearing please? wrote:

    Why are responses in this debate reduced to disgusting words? Is Gillingham like this all the time? I keep reading the words grow up - sorry but I left such language at school 40 years ago.

    28 Sep 2010 6:21 PM

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  • Next parade.... wrote:

    Next parade? You kidding? There's been about 100 since and there will be about 100 more this weekend in Liverpool, Ulster and Scotland. What kebab outrage?

    28 Sep 2010 6:17 PM

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  • To Chris wrote:

    Publish your address!

    I dare you.

    28 Sep 2010 5:32 PM

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  • Reckless & Chisthi - MPs? wrote:

    You are both diminished by your lack of leadership on this issue.

    If you can't it handle go back to being local councillors.

    Make sure you have your second homes paid for at the tax payers first though and have put in your expenses claim!

    Cynical S C U M.

    28 Sep 2010 5:27 PM

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  • Cyber Warriors of the World Unite wrote:

    Dare to come back again to Gillingham with your elderly legions and see if it is all cyber warriorism!

    Up to it Ron?

    Where's your next procession?

    No comment on the Kebab Outrge? Pathetic.

    F U C K you Medway Medways.

    Get a brain!

    28 Sep 2010 5:18 PM

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  • YOU KNOW WHEN YOU'VE BEEN TANGO'd wrote:

    This old ad still makes me chuckle...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6yCgtehwUE&feature=related

    28 Sep 2010 9:04 AM

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  • Danny (Rochester) wrote:

    I don't really give a stuff whether or not Medway Cllr Howard Doe is a Orange person or not or what he gets up to in his spare time.

    I was just curious to know, especially as it was mentioned that none of the Medway Councillors were made aware of the march.

    Personally I detest the sound of tin-whistles so was quite pleased to be elsewhere last Saturday.

    28 Sep 2010 7:22 AM

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  • To Minion/Ron wrote:

    Who paid for the policing and the ambulance that followed the procession?

    The local taxpayers want to know!

    PS Why was the ambulance following the procession? Was it because one of the mainly elderly marchers might have collapsed from the 3 mile stroll?

    28 Sep 2010 7:04 AM

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  • Chris Johnson wrote:

    There's no issue whther Cllr Doe is an Orangeman or not, many prominent people have been Orangemen - we currently have members is the House of Commons and House of Lords - not very secret is it?

    Even both Liverpool FC and Everton FC were formed (owners and managers) by Orangemen which is more than Glasgow Rangers can say!

    Well done to Gillingham for hosting a dignified parade and proving all the doubters wrong.

    28 Sep 2010 2:10 AM

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  • Chris Johnson wrote:

    There's no issue whther Cllr Doe is an Orangeman or not, many prominent people have been Orangemen - we currently have members is the House of Commons and House of Lords - not very secret is it?

    Even both Liverpool FC and Everton FC were formed (owners and managers) by Orangemen which is more than Glasgow Rangers can say!

    Well done to Gillingham for hosting a dignified parade and proving all the doubters wrong.

    28 Sep 2010 2:08 AM

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  • To Danny wrote:

    Whilst not knowing hat you say is true or not, what does it matter?

    The Orange Order is not a secret society - the Gillingham parade provided ample opportunty to photograph anyone on parade.

    The Grand Lodges of England, Scotland and Ireland have many members in local and national government throughought the UK - including the House of Commons and House of Lords.

    What posts in these threads have shown is that last Saturday, a bright and friendly little parade livened up an otherwise dull little outback.

    28 Sep 2010 2:01 AM

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  • To Danny wrote:

    Whilst not knowing hat you say is true or not, what does it matter?

    The Orange Order is not a secret society - the Gillingham parade provided ample opportunty to photograph anyone on parade.

    The Grand Lodges of England, Scotland and Ireland have many members in local and national government throughought the UK - including the House of Commons and House of Lords.

    What posts in these threads have shown is that last Saturday, a bright and friendly little parade livened up an otherwise dull little outback.

    28 Sep 2010 1:59 AM

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  • Danny (Rochester) wrote:

    Is Medway Cllr Howard Doe one of the Orange people?

    Roll call 2007

    Worshipful Master: Bro. Howard Doe

    http://www.medwaymartyrs.com/lol652rollcall.htm

    Or is this perhaps a coincience?

    27 Sep 2010 10:30 PM

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  • Daz wrote:

    Well done to the people of Gillingham for not listening to internet warriors threatening the OO parade. Also well done to the internet hardmen for giving the OO tv and media coverage of the parade, the OO is growing stronger in England

    27 Sep 2010 8:38 PM

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  • minion wrote:

    How very patronising. If by monitoring you are refering to moi - that's because I made the mistake of openly accepting comments for Ron via a LOL link. It was then that this minion realised how much racism exists in your area, something not welcome in the 21st century. Each time I get a mail the PC alerts me - its not 21st century tec I can assure you. The people on the march did not look frightened, they looked like members on an Orange march???? The little lad year old throwing the stick had a ball - as did the people on the side applauding him. I'll speak for Ron and say he wasn't 'relieved' about anything, he wasn't worried about anything - dont flatter yourself, the parade was law abiding well marshalled and done 100% by the instructions of the Police. "Wind the organisation up?" - you really haven't researched Ron have you - he's the Grand Master of England - the rest of the World is not Rons responsability. Ah well I suppose the other 3000 or so LOL parades in the UK each year will now be cancelled because of the Gillingham cyber warriors.

    Oh and "LOL= Laugh out loud"


    Ouch there goes another rib..... never heard that one before

    27 Sep 2010 7:55 PM

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  • Come on Ron! wrote:

    Give us an answer.Even without your Police guard, you are safe on the internet. Give us a direct answer if you can....

    27 Sep 2010 7:46 PM

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  • To Ron Bather wrote:

    Based on your interview you (or one of your minions who is familiar with 21st century technology) clearly is monitoring this forum.

    The people on the march looked very apprehensive, even frightend? You yourself appear very relieved that the march itself passed without incident.

    Why is that Ron? Do you yourself recognise and acknowledge just how extreme and looney you are and that you are putting largely elderly people in needless danger? Is it not time to face facts, that you are a tiny and irrelevant minority in the 21st century and wind the organisation up?

    27 Sep 2010 7:28 PM

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  • LOL? wrote:

    Does LOL stand for Laugh Out Loud?

    hahahahaha

    27 Sep 2010 7:13 PM

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  • LOL contact wrote:

    I had no idea how racist Gillingham was! Hang your heads in shame. Use of the 'N' word was considered disgusting before I was born yet alone 2010 in Britain. The worst thing I could have done was allow the LOL contact be known to racists on this forum. (medwaybhoy)?? PLease take some time to view the many pictures of coloured gents and ladies before making such disgusting allegations

    27 Sep 2010 6:36 PM

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  • LOL Contact wrote:

    I had no idea how racist Gillingham was! Hang your heads in shame. Use of the 'N' word was considered disgusting before I was born yet alone 2010 in Britain. The worst thing I could have done was allow the LOL contact be known to racists on this forum. (medwaybhoy)?? PLease take some time to view the many pictures of coloured gents and ladies before making such disgusting allegations

    27 Sep 2010 6:36 PM

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  • LOL Contact wrote:

    I had no idea how racist Gillingham was! Hang your heads in shame. Use of the 'N' word was considered disgusting before I was born yet alone 2010 in Britain. The worst thing I could have done was allow the LOL contact be known to racists on this forum. (medwaybhoy)?? PLease take some time to view the many pictures of coloured gents and ladies before making such disgusting allegations

    27 Sep 2010 6:34 PM

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  • Rabid OO wrote:

    Plant Pots?

    Bit rabid don't you think?

    Are you one of the Medway Meatheads?

    27 Sep 2010 3:51 PM

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  • To 'Who Paid' wrote:

    I'd hazard a guess the 'heavy' police presence was thanks to the plants pots who threatened a protest, it must be brave being able to sit behind a computer keyboard!

    No one in any of the Loyal Orders (there's 3, the Orange Order being just 1) have nothing to fear with police monotoring any movements as we are law abiding citizens.

    I must admit though, the pure ignorence has been highly entertaining. Thanks to the people of Gillingham who took the trouble to come and see for themselves what a load of tripe and misinformation had been posted.

    27 Sep 2010 3:37 PM

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  • To all the OO Nutters wrote:

    To all the OO nutters, read the story on 'Historic Kent Battle Commemerated' and hang your heads in shame.

    27 Sep 2010 3:09 PM

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  • Ron Bather - Scouse Git wrote:

    Big Ron fits the typical OO description of beer belly, bulging neck and little on top. What's the betting he's got the tattoos as well?

    Ron, if people have nothing to fear from the OO why do you feel the need for such a heavy police escourt? Did you pay for it?

    27 Sep 2010 2:52 PM

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  • Who Paid? wrote:

    Look at the Police presence in the video.

    I think it says it all that the OO are only prepared to march with such a heavy Police escort.

    They know that are neither liked or welcome!

    I really hope that they paid for the Policing and for the results of the subsequent 'Kebab Outrage'!

    27 Sep 2010 2:46 PM

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  • GCHQ & Internet Tarffic wrote:

    The British Government via the Government Communication Head Quarters (GCHQ) in Cheltenham monitor all internet and telephone voice communication in the UK. This information is freely shared with the CIA. All encryption available on the internet is easily breakable in nano seconds.

    The UK police also have a number plate recognition system that logs every car that passes the surveilance point along with a picture of the driver. These surveilance points consist of a pair of fixed CCTV cameras. Every exit and entry point to the Medway towns has such surveilance. Have look for them. Therse is one on the Maidstone Road rainhem between Wigmore and Bredhurst. There is also one at the junction of Station road and the A2 in rainham. These are just 2 examples. There are many, many more. All this technology was of course paid for with borrowed money. Your standrad living is about to suffer as a consequence, never mind the cost to your civil liberties!

    Rest assured that Kent Police, Special Branch and MI5 knew who was coming and going in the Medway Towns.

    27 Sep 2010 2:40 PM

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  • Jock wrote:

    complete tw*ts

    27 Sep 2010 12:44 PM

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  • Fellow Travellors wrote:

    OO, BNP or NF. They are all fellow travellors.

    27 Sep 2010 11:45 AM

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  • Chris Johnson wrote:

    Click the YouTube below to see why the Orange Order has no interest whatsoever in the likes of the BNP or NF.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZfsWFJMdlc

    27 Sep 2010 10:48 AM

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  • Why Special Branch Monitor the OO wrote:

    Special Branch monitor the activities of the Orange Order as they are closely linked with Ulster unionist terrorist organisations who have bombed and murdered.

    As it happens they are little more than a small lunatic fringe, who cynically invoke history and the protestant religion/church to justify their existance.

    Strangee though I have never heard any CoE support for these nutters.

    27 Sep 2010 9:40 AM

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  • Kebab Outrage wrote:

    Any update on the Kebab outrage yet?

    Have the police collared the the offending OO loonie yet?

    27 Sep 2010 8:52 AM

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  • To James wrote:

    Are you a meathead?

    27 Sep 2010 8:50 AM

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  • James wrote:

    It seems to me there are a lot of 'keyboard warriors' on here - happy to hide behind their computers firing off accusations about the OO and who knoes what else, when really they know little or nothing of what they are talking about - get a life, perhaps you have no culture or interests of your own, but leave others to enjoy theirs and if you want to participate in real debate then get your facts right instead of believing what the lefty media spoon feed you and you're so gullible to believe it. Get a Life!

    26 Sep 2010 11:16 PM

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  • Re Contact Point wrote:

    I was the original poster and can confirm i looked at the page you mentioned.I was pointing out the bits asked on the form as you said the form was secure and it DOES ask for email address on it.

    I can also confirm i diod not send any message on it,to me theres no real point because any points i have to make i am happy enough to make in the public domain.

    26 Sep 2010 11:10 PM

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  • To Liverpool LOL Contact point... wrote:

    Why do you OO loonies have to have such irritating and annoying 'music' on your websites?

    26 Sep 2010 10:57 PM

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  • Contact point.... wrote:

    The contact point is secure and no email address is required, you evidently did not attempt. I never mentioned that it did. However I have just received another comment (possibly the same person) which can be described as vile.

    Threfore my constructive involvement in this thread is obviously exhausted, thanks to all those who enjoyed the parade.

    26 Sep 2010 10:55 PM

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  • Special Branch & MI5 wrote:

    Special Branch amd MI5 are two completely different organisations. Special Branch are tasked with tracking enemies of the state. MI5 have historically been involved with counter espionage. Today there is an overlap of roles between MI5 and Special Branch.

    26 Sep 2010 10:48 PM

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  • Liverpool LOL Contact point... wrote:

    Special thanks to the person that has just sent a secure email to me via the secure LOL link. It came within minutes of me posting it.

    The shameful racist comment is a glowing reason why it is secure.

    Does that now answer things?

    26 Sep 2010 10:47 PM

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  • To Gillingham Resident wrote:

    This is Rehman Chishti, the newly elected CONSERVATIVE MP for Gillingham & Rainham, who in the 2005 general election stood in Horsham for the LABOUR party.

    He seems to have a very flexible approach and open mind!

    26 Sep 2010 10:43 PM

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  • LOL Contact point reply wrote:

    By personal details you mean an email address?You could put initials in the name section and theres plenty of forums where email addy's are shown without a problem,and i myself have used plenty of non secure online forms way more detailed than on your site without a single problem.As i said,does seem very strange that such a basic form needs to be so secure!

    26 Sep 2010 10:40 PM

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  • FAO David S wrote:

    I read that too. Let me clear things up. Special Branch (MI5) routinely turn up and video certain parades. Some parades like this annual one that are out of town (by that I mean out of Liverpool which holds about 65% of the English Orange Order) tend to attract members that are not regularly seen on parades and new to the order. There's a special branch incentive to know everyone who takes part in Loyalist (and Republican) parades. The LOL in Liverpool are so well known that the SB cameras only tend to turn up on dates like July 12th and certain ABOD parades as they would otherwise be just filming dozens of Church parades every month. The LOL and it's membership has no issues with this as it's widely known what they do and why. The assumptions of MI5 attending this parade for 'special' reasons are not true I can assure you. SB will also trawl this thread, dont be fooled otherwise - they do a great job in keeping our country safe so people like us can honour war heroes, fly the flag and sing the Queen without fear of intimidation

    26 Sep 2010 10:40 PM

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  • Special Branch wrote:

    In the case of the Medway Meatheads it's Special Branch.

    They have probably infiltrated somebody into the group or have a paid informer in the group.

    Which of the 52 is it?

    26 Sep 2010 10:23 PM

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  • LOL contact point wrote:

    To answer the most suspicious people on here the secure contact link is: http://www.liverpool-lol.co.uk/

    Click on 'contact us'. If it seems 'rather strange' that an organisation that has a contact point that people can make enquiries that dont leave their personal details on view to the whole world, welcome to the internet.

    26 Sep 2010 10:18 PM

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  • David S wrote:

    Thats rather strange,one of the OO guys during the build up to the march last week laughed off on the comments section why MI5 would be interested in the OO and now another says that MI5 ARE interested.

    Wish someone would make up their mind.

    26 Sep 2010 10:15 PM

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  • FAO TC wrote:

    Thank you. The original poster alleged the culprits were 'orange' and that the police would x-ref against images. The images are routinely taken of all members for SB (MI5) - and have done for as long as I care to remember, no-one objects (nor would want to). I'm sure he/she would assist if required if it turns out someone local who just 'jumped on the bandwagon' and they may even recognise them. If that's the case the Orange Order wont. We'll see

    26 Sep 2010 10:07 PM

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  • FAO OO Police wrote:

    Just out of interest,why would the OO need a secure link on the internet?Hmmmmmmm now THAT does seem rather strange!Things to hide that need to be sent securely?

    TC-One thing i did find strange is i live in Chatham and yesterday morning the area i had a leaflet campaing by the BNP.Cant see any election coming up so did find the timing rather strange.So i guess they were in the area too.

    26 Sep 2010 9:53 PM

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  • Gillingham person wrote:

    Gauleiter Learmonth wrote:

    Who's going to hold Gauleiter Learmonth to account for treating the residents of Medway with contempt?

    Not our elected politicians I suspect. Reckless would have to sober up and Chichti would have to grow some cahones.

    You may not know this but our freind chistis father was a assylum seeker back in the 80's and was a polictician in kashmir. Working for the pakistan peoples party. Why would he want to interfere with this ? He would look like a hypocrite.

    26 Sep 2010 9:51 PM

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  • TC wrote:

    I was going to say that about the CCTV - should be suffice

    ps fao = for attention of
    pps - i think so anyway!

    From what I saw - it wasnt those on the orange parade, responsible for all the violence and criminal damage - these were the small minded racist people who were just jumping on the band wagon so to speak with their NF and BNP chants.



    26 Sep 2010 9:33 PM

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  • FAO JAT wrote:

    Like I said your comment has been mailed on. It's your knowledge that I think will help the Police not just letting the Police cross reference agaist SB images. You actually intimated that the 'culprits' were 'orange marchers' and part of the parade so you obviously witnessed it - that's good enough for us to forward to the Police. I'll post a link to a secure LOL link so you can state exactly what you saw and what (if any) orange regailia/band uniform was used.

    26 Sep 2010 9:32 PM

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  • No Worries Bro wrote:

    Thanks to New Labour wanting to create a Police state, every inch of Gillingham High Street is covered by CCTV. It won't therefore take long for Kent Police to cross reference CCTV footage of the 'Kebab Outrage' against images taken of the marchers.

    Your man will be identified!

    FAO?

    26 Sep 2010 9:06 PM

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  • FAO JAT wrote:


    Jat, I have forwarded your statement to the Grand Master of England Bro Ron Bather. He and I will insist that through this website you will be contacted to assist the Police and any future court attendance to substantiate the claim you have made. The GOLE take such action seriously and as yet are confused as to who may have been involved in your accusation. The data controller of this page has been included. Thank you in advance

    26 Sep 2010 8:36 PM

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  • Jat wrote:

    The kebab shop in question is in Gillingham High St, opposite the library and next to video city.

    I know the orange culprits smashed the window and ran down to the Brickmaker Arms where they all the "march" people met up and drink.

    26 Sep 2010 8:11 PM

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  • adam wrote:

    I saw this parade yesterday and I seriously cant understand what the fuss was all about? Looked like a nornal bunch of individuals expressing there culture in the way they do. The march was for English Orange people in England as far as I saw and had nothing to do with Ireland (citation required). I'm not protestant but if I was I'd have no hesitation about joining them. Are the bands all from Liverpool though? The two yesterday were, they sounded great.

    26 Sep 2010 5:03 PM

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  • To TC wrote:

    Are you a police officer?

    Perhaps on duty yesterday afternoon in Gillinham?

    26 Sep 2010 3:35 PM

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  • To Reporter Lyn Cox wrote:

    Well done for changing the pictures from the Carlisle march to yesterday's Gillingham March. What were you thinking? That Medway residents are idiots? No acknowledgment or apology?

    Good that you also removed the ridiculous march number as being 400, when it was more like 200.

    Why no report on the march aftermath violence? Public disorder and attacking immigrants not news worthy enough?

    Come on, you can do better than this. Stop patronising the residents of Medway.

    26 Sep 2010 3:22 PM

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  • Disgusted of Gillinham wrote:

    Miles, are you havin' a larf?

    Nowhere in Gillingham would command a price of £800,000 - unless you were buying a whole street.
    As for moving from T. Wells to Gillingham, who are you trying to kidd? No parent with half a brain and the choice would ever deliberatly send their child to NBC - unless of course thyey hated them and wanted to punish them.

    Your comments are purile and ridiculous in the extreme. Grow up and get a life!

    26 Sep 2010 3:13 PM

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  • To Gary wrote:

    So you are saying that the OO only march through areas that of late have become Catholic areas?Are you sure?I mean are you really sure that there are not areas in NI that have been catholic areas centuries that the OO still demand to walk through?Because if that is what you are saying it is not me that needs to do their homework.Having lived in NI for 5 years i suggest you go over there and have a chat.

    But you have proved a point that the OO do not care about the way the world moves on from the past.Even you admit if areas become more catholic the OO do not care if it will stir up trouble,they demand to march.Bit like saying where you used to walk down the street eating a bacon sandwich used to be an empty plot,but in the past decade they built a synagogue but because you are so set in your ways you have every right to walk straight through it eating your bacon sandwich because your views count more than any other views.Move out of the 1690's..this is the 2000's and no one really cares about silly religious marches.Yet again the OO fail to answer how this country is supposed to be a practicing protestant country.not one single answer on that.Deflect and deny as usual.

    26 Sep 2010 3:05 PM

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  • Gary in answer "to Jim" wrote:

    Do you have any idea of the demographics in Northern Ireland - if you had you would cease these silly comments about the OO insisting on walking through areas where they are not wanted. The RC population in Northern Ireland is slowly increasing, so areas are changing from being predominately Protestant to more even or with a larger RC population - those areas may have had an Orange Order prescence for over 200 years and the Oreder is still strong - so you see it's about tradition versus demographic change - should the Order stop walking routes their forefathers walked, should tradition be abandoned. It is NOT as you say us demanding to walk through Roman Catholic areas to provoke people - unfortunately that is what the media would have people believe. The contentious parades you speak about are all areas where the demographics have altered. Also in NI there are people who detest any trace of Britishness and will oppose anything including Remembrance Day, so do we capitulate to them or others who object to the slightest thing? If your answer to that is yes then this country is indeed doomed. Perhaps you should research these issues before waxing lyrical about them.

    26 Sep 2010 1:51 PM

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  • Miles wrote:

    These comments are worrying to me, I've just moved to Gillingham and spent £800,000 on a house and my son attends New Brompton College which reading ofsted reports etc has now an excellent reputation and results above other schools. I was in Tunbridge Wells last weekend and my wallet was stolen from my pocket, does Tunbridge Wells now form the same league as Gillingham?

    26 Sep 2010 1:26 PM

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  • To Jim wrote:

    How come it seems all OO members reply almost from a pre arranged answer sheet.You say OO only get bad bad press from sensationalist headlines,so do you deny that in NI you insist to the authorities on marching into areas you clearly know will incite violence where you are not required? Also why is it no matter what organisation it is they always have a "Proud history".You do know that even the nazi's believed that about themselves,did not make them a power of good did it!

    And just because you have membership in all those countries do you believe you made a huge difference to the culture?Of course not,just the same as yesterdays march showed that you make no cultural difference in modern day Britain.Like i said before and no one seemed to answer from the OO but if this country is still a proud protestant nation then why do less than 8% of the population practice religion of which approx 3% are protestant ? 97% non practicing protestants hardly make it a proud protestant nation do they!So carry on believing the silly things you believe while doing the silly pointless walks and let the rest of society enjoy modern day thinking.

    26 Sep 2010 1:24 PM

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  • To Tanya wrote:

    You've spent the last 20 years working on the streets of Gillingham.... as what?

    You should well know them that there are few worse places in the UK than Gillingham. When will it ever be allowed to darg itself out of the gutter?

    Certainly not via education given the performance of Upbury Manor(rebadged New Brompton College), Woodlands Road etc. Upbury Manor has more than once been bottom of ALL sceondary schools in England.

    26 Sep 2010 11:57 AM

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  • tarnya bates wrote:

    I don't understand why certain people run down Gillingham. I've spent the last 20 years working on the streets of all areas of Medway and beleive me there are far worse places than Gillingham. I've been in the kitchens of many of the resturants/take aways in the Gillingham area in my job and 95% of them are perfect. I've been in the kitchens of award winning resturants in the more up market parts of Medway and I wouldn't allow my dog to eat there. Yes there are parts of Gillingham that are run down, just like every other part of the country. I know people from London moving down to Medway to escape all the violent crime etc...Give Gillingham a chance and don't tar everyone with the same brush.

    26 Sep 2010 11:37 AM

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  • To Gill Resident wrote:

    You sad person.

    You need to get out more.

    26 Sep 2010 11:32 AM

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  • Gill Resident wrote:

    Enjoyed the parade. Hope to see another one next year. It brightens up the town!

    26 Sep 2010 11:22 AM

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  • TC wrote:

    Hi no it wasnt that Kebab shop - this time.... it was the one opposite the library near the high street. I agree the violence was not essentially down to the march - most of the people fighting im sure did not know what the march was about but were make their own interpretations and is/was just an excuse to act like drunken thug. sad.

    26 Sep 2010 10:18 AM

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  • Victoria wrote:

    Why aren't the Orange men wearing Orange???????

    26 Sep 2010 10:16 AM

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  • To DaveR wrote:

    You can only join the Medway Meathead if you have tattoos, a beer gut, a bulging neck, are bald and intellectually challenged.

    Do you fit the bill?

    26 Sep 2010 9:39 AM

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  • Jim wrote:

    Obviously any disorder in Gillingham over the next 2 or 3 months is totally and completely the fault of the Orange ! - Protestant,British and Proud yes- bigoted, racist ,BNP, NF most definitely not ! We have a proud history in the Uk as well as in America, Canada, Ghana, Togo, Australia and New Zealand - we have played a full role in the political, social and cultural histories of these nations - perhaps if people looked behind the sensationalist scaremongering headlines they would understand more clearly exactly what we are about!

    26 Sep 2010 9:35 AM

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  • DaveR wrote:

    As I promised I made a point of going to see the mayhem, rapine, and pillage promised by the opponents of the parade.

    Never appeared!

    I spoke to a number of Londoners in a pub afterwards & liked what I heard.

    What I forgot to ask was how to join. If there is anyone reading this who knows how to contact this Gillingham lodge can they post it on here.

    26 Sep 2010 9:30 AM

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  • OO = BNP + NF wrote:

    You call 200 brothers and a few people banging some big drums successful? There are 52 Medway Meatheads so that means they only managed to attract less than another 200 OO nutters.

    It shows just how pathetic and insignificant the OO are. They are as popular as the BNP and National Front of which they form part of the same constituency.

    26 Sep 2010 9:03 AM

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  • Post March Violence & Disorder wrote:

    Anybody know anything more about the post march violence and disorder that has been reported here?

    26 Sep 2010 8:58 AM

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  • ulster loyalist wrote:

    to all the people who say the loyal orders are "meatheads" bigots or antagonistic . please check the history of the british isles. the loyal orders have given much in defence of queen/king and country since their formation . one of the proudest days in the orange calander is the 1st july 1916 when the "volunteers" from ulster laid their lives on the line to keep british people free !

    26 Sep 2010 3:12 AM

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  • To TC wrote:

    The kebab shop with the window caved in wasnt the one on Watling Street near the printer refill place was it because they have just about the worst kebabs in Medway and strange enough usually the most violence on a saturday night.

    Just spoke to a friend who lives close to Priestfield and he said there has been a fair bit of hassle more than usual tonight but doesnt know if its OO related or not,will be interesting to find out tomorrow though.

    JonR

    25 Sep 2010 10:20 PM

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  • J Cliff wrote:

    congratulations on a successful and excellent parade. JC Liverpool

    25 Sep 2010 10:05 PM

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  • TC wrote:

    I did wonder whether I ought to admit to a meal in Gillingham but there is one good place! Whilst I did think it was quite normal for a night in Gillingham - the fact that they were chanting BNP songs(?) and walking the streets in large groups, wearing engalnd masks (they just dont get it do they) and shouting about todays march made me think it was slightly differnet to usual - to see grown men fight with iron bars was frightening and disturbing cos of my kids

    25 Sep 2010 9:43 PM

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  • To PaulB wrote:

    Would an accurate description of you be: Beer belly, tattoos, bulging neck and little on top?

    Are you indeed one of the infamous 52 Medway Meatheads?

    25 Sep 2010 9:40 PM

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  • PS...... wrote:

    Yes i do live in Medway,which part do you live in Paul B? And i am guessing you are a member of the MM's?

    25 Sep 2010 9:36 PM

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  • Only 2 Bands and less than 200 Brothers? wrote:

    Ony 2 bands a couple of hundred brothers? Head Office won't like it. One of the Medway Meatheads will have to be knee-capped, tared and feathered for this.

    25 Sep 2010 9:35 PM

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  • JonR wrote:

    PaulB - First of all what is FF?Only FF i know that i am involved with is fantasy football!

    I have no problems with marches regarding religion and celebrating it.Thats fine.I have a problem with the OO due to personal dealings such as being physically abused by three of them after one of their so called "Peaceful" marches when i was abused due to a football shirt i was wearing and had not even made a comment towards any of them.They are not just a peaceful bunch of protestants but are political and support less than savoury elements in society.

    I would feel the same if catholics were marching that had nasty extreme views etc,muslims were marching that backed terror etc.Basically i dont like marches that incite others.But then you probably would not understand that seeing as you made up your mind in your post without asking me for the facts.I would suggest that makes you a rather more sad individual than myself.

    25 Sep 2010 9:34 PM

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  • To TC wrote:

    Don't worry TC. What you saw was just a noemal Saturday evening in Gillingham. Having a meal though... that's worrying.

    25 Sep 2010 9:32 PM

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  • Gauleiter Learmonth wrote:

    Who's going to hold Gauleiter Learmonth to account for treating the residents of Medway with contempt?

    Not our elected politicians I suspect. Reckless would have to sober up and Chichti would have to grow some cahones.

    25 Sep 2010 9:21 PM

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  • Medway Meatheads wrote:

    What are the requirements to be a Medway Meathead, apart from beer belly, tattoos, bulging neck, ruddy complexion and little on top?

    Is it just a desire to wear brightly coloured sashes in public?

    PS At least the Gills won today. UTG!

    25 Sep 2010 9:15 PM

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  • Gillingham Resident wrote:

    PaulB

    How do I join the Medway Meatheads?

    What does FF mean?

    25 Sep 2010 9:08 PM

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  • PaulB wrote:

    JonR

    Are you offended by all marches or just Protestants marching ? I bet you dont even live in Gillingham do you, I bet you followed the link from F.F. and just wanted to show your offendedness, Very sad individual indeed

    25 Sep 2010 8:56 PM

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  • JonR wrote:

    What a shoddy bit of reporting.First you dont use pictures from the event and secondly you say there was a thousand marching when there was no more than 300-400!

    It may have been lawful but their silly views on "Protestant Unionist Britain" are dated and the reason there was not as much trouble is because there arent areas of religion in England as there are in other parts of the uk.Areas that the OO use to incite hatred by demanding they get to march through the areas.

    I am glad the weekend is over and these silly outdated folk get to march elsewhere and the medway meatheads or however they wish to be called go back to just being a silly pocket of bigots.

    And did strike me as funny that it was going to be a march backed by all their "Brothers" yet hardly any of them in the end turned up.Just shows even the OO view the medway branch as unworthy of their attendance.Ah well lets hope theres not to many arrests tonight and we can get back to being a secular area again.

    25 Sep 2010 8:42 PM

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  • PaulB wrote:

    Well there is a surprise another parade passes without incident. Seems to me a lot of scaremongering by people who should know better. Maybe England just doesnt have the eejits Ulster or Scotland has, trying to disrupt a LAWFUL legal parade. Salute to all of those who took part today.

    25 Sep 2010 8:34 PM

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  • TC wrote:

    We have just left Gillingham after a meal and there is police cars and vans parked everywhere with blue lights flashing, people running around with blood pouring down there faces, men running about with weapons of every description - a kebab shop with smashed windows and blood up the tiled walls... so not quite as peaceful.... very frightening actually particulary for our children, could not get out of the place quick enough.

    25 Sep 2010 8:29 PM

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  • mrs wannerbanker wrote:

    wheres poundland i cant see poundland ? or the ten thousand oxfams !!! or the boarded up shops ....oh im a silly billy thats not gillingham is it...wheres my tennants extra i need a beer .

    25 Sep 2010 7:44 PM

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  • Carlisle? wrote:

    Why show pictures from the march in Carlisle?

    25 Sep 2010 6:29 PM

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