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Thursday, May 24 2012

Stack lorry park plans to be revealed

Queues on the M20 over the weekend due to Operation Stack. Picture: Gary Browne

Operation Stack in action

by political editor Paul Francis

Plans for a low cost lorry park to cope with Operation Stack are expected to be revealed within weeks.

It comes as MPs and council chiefs stage a summit today to discuss how to solve the problems caused by the implementation of Operation Stack.

Consultants are to deliver a report to county transport bosses setting out options for ‘no frills’ park on a 70-acre site off the M20 near Ashford.

The county council commissioned the report from Jacobs Engineering after it became clear the costs of its original scheme would be prohibitive.

The need to build a new junction off the coast-bound side of the motorway meant the estimated costs could have been as high as £50m.

Now KCC says it is considering alternatives that would cost no more than £25m.

It is thought that among the options could be a lorry park that would be accessed through existing roads - an idea likely to trigger alarm among residents.

KCC leader Paul Carter said the site at Aldington remained the best option available to deal with the disruption caused by Operation Stack, which sees stretches of the M20 used to park HGVs when there are port closures.

He insisted the park, capable of holding as many as 3,000 lorries, would not be a massive imposition on local people.

"There may be other proposals that people want us to look at and I’m keeping an open mind but I have yet to hear of one. [The site] is scrubland of no great importance and most people would not be able to see it.

"It would not be a massive imposition on local communities in the area."

He said the costs would be justified taking into account the money spent by Kent Police and the Highways Agency on managing Operation Stack.

Campaigners opposed to the lorry park said they would have serious concerns about any scheme involving lorries using local roads.

Matt Baldwin of the camapign group Lorry Park Alliance said: "This smacks of desperation rather than looking at a credible alternative. There must be better ways of spending £25m.

"If KCC believes that the park could be accessed through Station Road, a lot of people will be very unhappy."

KCC should examine the idea of a series of smaller lorry parks or consider other locations, he added.

While plans for a park remain one of KCC’s key transport policies, the scheme has suffered a series of setbacks.

In January, the government said that while it did not object, it had no money to support the project.

Friday, July 08 2011

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  • Phil wrote:

    This problem should have been sorted years ago and probably would have been had it not been for the nimbyism displayed every time the subject is raised.

    Does anyone really think that truckers enjoy being parked up on the M20 for hours, or even days, for whatever reason the port has been closed? Does anyone realise just how difficult it is for the trucker to survive out there? There are no toilets, at least initially, nowhere to get food or drink unless they have supplies with them. They're effectively imprisoned in their trucks.

    Another problem that can arise fairly rapidly involves driver's hours. Tight transport schedules often mean that a driver will "run out of hours" and be forced to take a statutory rest break of at least 9 hours, so if the queue starts moving in that time then he (or she) can't, or shouldn't, move at all. I've seen first hand how this can mess things up on the M20 even though Op. Stack has been lifted.

    Can we get this problem sorted once and for all please?

    12 Jul 2011 12:43 AM

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  • Sakkrakenbak wrote:

    To JBurton; well made point, from the perspective of a lorry driver. To those who have an opinion, do you HONESTLY believe that the Police really want to shut the M20, then stand out in hideous weather, just to cause you inconvenience? If so, drag your head out of your bottom cavity, unless you find the view from there more agreeable tha standing up and DOING something about a situation which you find so deplorable.
    Grow a pair or ship out.

    10 Jul 2011 6:11 PM

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  • Baldric wrote:

    Seriously though, wasn't there an article on this site a few weeks ago about an area in Dover, in or close to the port being cleared to solve this problem?

    09 Jul 2011 10:18 AM

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  • Baldric wrote:

    The Pfizer site on the outskirts of Sandwich, 80+ acres of flat ground, accessible from the ring road, clear out the(I'm a smug b**t**d with a job for life)staff, flatten those ugly buildings, and you have the perfect lorry park, it's even got a river along on side of it to provide washing facilities.

    09 Jul 2011 10:12 AM

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  • JBurton wrote:

    Before I start, I'd like to say that this comment is probably going to upset a lot of people so if you're a NIMBY, look away now!
    The amount of rubbish I here on a daily basis is mind boggling, "Take the lorrys of the roads and put the freight on the trains... ban the foriegn lorrys coming into the UK... tax haulage firms more..."
    I'd never have thought people could be so ignorant or is it just that the haulage industry is an easy target, a scapegoat if you will? How about instead of creating problems, put forward some solutions of your own? But wait, no that's not your job, why should you do the government's work for them? No, you'd rather suffer than put forward solutions that may help. Yes, you'd rather suffer out of princable. So go ahead and make a stand by doing nothing but saying "no".
    Stack is the price we pay by living in the gateway to the country and it's not going to go away, so why not do something useful for once and suggest ways in which we as a community can help the situation? Try putting forward ideas (sensible ones) that may not only benefit the area but also yourselves. One last comment before the locals turn up at my door with burning torches and pitchforks. It's not just European trucks involved in Stack, it's also UK haulage companies exporting goods to Europe, helping to support our economy, so bear that in mind next time you vilify the lorry driver - do you really think they want to be sat on a motorway for 12 hours plus? No, of course not, but just like you we have to make a living!

    08 Jul 2011 8:52 PM

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  • NKN56 wrote:

    Sakkrakenbak is right. Lets moan at our MPs! After all,why do WE have to put "Stack" into operation!? Lets face it,too many foreign lorries on the roads(importing too much)-lets get some money into British goods and manufacturing to stop that. Secondly,everyones favourite topic-the French! When they go on strike,blockading ports etc,stopping movement across the EU,get onto MPs,Government, whoever,and urge them(if they've got the b*lls)to tell our friends across the channel that they will have to pay hefty fines for the inconvenience caused! Why should we be even discussing building lorry parks(at great expense to the taxpayer)when its not our problem or fault!!?

    08 Jul 2011 6:28 PM

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  • Sakkrakenbak wrote:

    People moan when Stack is on, they moan when alternatives are suggested. I do so love being British.
    Instead of whinging, try proposing a considered, sensible alternative. Perhaps the introduction of tolls for foreign goods vehicles would help to pay for a lorry park in an area which would not be spoilt by it? Gripe to your MP's, they get paid to act for you. Make them earn their money! We all have to.

    08 Jul 2011 5:18 PM

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  • Samantha wrote:

    Did it snow last week? Hover over the photo and apparently the picture is of queues over the weekend....

    08 Jul 2011 1:10 PM

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  • Mary Lucas wrote:

    KCC are the pits. Scrub land? Lorry park for 3000 lorries? What about all the other 6000. Data from 2009.What are all the drivers going to do in a small village with one pub and two shops. Are they going to import their entertainmaent from Ashford? What about the creatures that live there? The converter station which is next field was the main breeding ground for Kentish pluvers, they have never come back. Our beautiful historical village is being ruined. Kent is so short of money, every week we read about some other mad scheme like travellers sites, building on ancient woodland, waste plants at edge of the village , why not mend the roads in the A20 area of Sellindge which is full of pot holes? All the lorries insist in coming through the village, although they are not supposed to, which dispite being an "A" road cannot handle the volume of traffic past the village school and further on by the Newingreen roundabout. Spend some money improving that section before there is a fatal accident. Go away Mr Carter and keep your lorry park as it is for the few days that it is needed on the M20 and spend any surplus money which you seem so keen on spending for good improvements. Yes you bet we are very unhappy. Mary

    08 Jul 2011 11:55 AM

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  • alison wrote:

    The area in Aldington which KCC has proposed for the lorry park is not scrub land but fields with arable crops. Wake up KCC you just can't dump this in the countryside. Alternative sites have been suggested to you and why not give the Quick Moveable Barrier scheme a proper evaluation before wasting millions on this white elephant. Operation Stack only ran for 3 days last year.

    08 Jul 2011 10:45 AM

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