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Thursday, February 23 2012

Court battle over wartime hospital site

John Button fenced off the site while it is made safe

John Button said he fenced off the site while it is made safe

by Martin Jefferies

A man who has spent £200,000 clearing the site of an underground hospital used in the Second World War is being taken to court by Kent County Council.

John Button wants to restore a historic piece of land at Capel-le-Ferne, close to the Battle of Britain Memorial, which has been designated open access land under the Countryside and Rights of Way Act.

John ButtonHowever, he has been locked in a row with ramblers and dog walkers after insisting one of two footpaths that cross the site remains closed until various tunnels and shafts can be made safe.

Mr Button, pictured left, said the site was inaccessible until he started clearing rubbish, weeds and stinging nettles from the site, which he purchased for around £140,000 in 2009.

He plans to remove a fence he put up around the site - known as the battery site because it housed three big guns during the Second World War - once work has been completed, but Kent County Council said access must be restored immediately.

The battle is now heading to court, with magistrates in Folkestone set to hear from both sides next Tuesday.

Mr Button, who considers the land a "gift" to the nation and has kept a second footpath across the site open, fears a vital piece of wartime heritage could be lost forever if the court rules in favour of restoring access.

The historic site has been fenced off

The site has been fenced off

He said: "It's very important that we preserve this site. There's so much history there that still hasn't been uncovered.

"We've not actually managed to get into the hospital yet. We've tunnelled down as far as the entrance, but we just don't know what we'll find inside.

"It's surprisingly dry down there and lots of the tunnels and buildings underground are all in good condition, just as they were during the war."

He added: "We want to preserve this land for future generations. We think it would be a great tourist attraction which would complement the Battle of Britain Memorial next door."

Rob Riddle, from the White Cliff Ramblers, said: "Open Access Land is there for the public to enjoy and it is sad that Mr Button has fenced off this entire 13 acre site for the past two years.

"Even if work is being undertaken we see no reason not to allow responsible access to the remainder of the land. The full facts giving rise to this case will no doubt be disclosed at the hearing."

Cllr Mike Hill, KCC's cabinet member for customer and communities, said: "Following complaints from members of the public and Natural England, Kent County Council is applying for a court order to remove access obstructions to public land at Capel Battery on the cliff top at Capel-le-Ferne.

What do you think? Join the debate by adding your comments below"People have a right to enter the land for recreation as it is Open Access land under the Countryside and Rights of Way Act 2000. The North Downs Way National Trail runs across it. It was designated Open Access land prior to the landowner's purchase and KCC has a responsibility to ensure the public rights of access are available.

"KCC has been involved in extensive discussions with the landowner about removing obstructions to the land and providing points of access for the public and time has also been given so the landowner can apply to Natural England for lawful restrictions to the site.

"In the last 36 months, the landowner has been served two formal notices to entry points for the public to access the land. Both notices were not complied with. The landowner appealed to the Planning Inspectorate for the second notice but was refused appeal as it was made on invalid grounds."

A KCC spokesman added all channels have now been exhausted, leaving no option but to pursue the case in court.

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  • emu wrote:

    Having spoken with John Button and so many others supporting him, I cannot help but wonder what KCC means by the "extensive discussions with the landowner". Everyone that knows what really happened is aware that these "extensive discussions" consisted of the chap that enforces the open access for KCC and his little side-kick being rude and mocking of John Button's intentions. John Button offers this wonderful and patriotic gift to Kent and Britain - what do these two 'erberts offer? Yet another overgrown patch full of rubbish that when returned to its former state will not attract any ramblers or even dog walkers. Incidentally, were these two 'erberts the same two that spent two whole days in court in the visitors' gallery doing nothing but spectating at rate-payers' expense Mr Button's humiliation occasioned by being dragged into Court? John Button has been badly dealt with by his local council especially when, if rumours turn out to be true, he may be honoured soon for the very same thing the council has prosecuted him for?

    16 Feb 2012 4:39 PM

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  • forro wrote:

    too much of our heritage has already been lost to the trainsport network buildings and bad judgements , i have been most fortunant to have been allowed onto this site and i was happily shown around by the men working there who not only were very helpfull but equally very passionate about preserving this area for future generations, whilst i understand that ramblers and dog walkers like too roam surely the safe area known as the warren would be more suited for these activities. i have read alot of articals about this site and it in the past has caused death to a young girl who was allowed to wander freely on the said site, the actual shafts etc are very deep and the whole area is unstable, it makes me wonder as to why this land ever become open access i mean its like putting a childrens play area in the middle of a busy roundabout. the other thing is this hopefully one will be an outstanding tourist attraction to work along side the war memorial and perhaps dover castle and hawkinge war museum what we actually need in this area is regeneration and surely this is one of the main things that mr button is trying to acheive so come people commonsense think of the honorable thing that Mr Button is doing ....the council should put there much needed funds to either helping in this matter or for other more important issues GOODLUCK JOHN

    30 Jan 2012 9:39 PM

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  • reason wrote:

    I have been on this site many times. There are large half covered holes that could easily entrap or injure someone. It is only right that the site is restricted until it is safe. If KCC must involve itself then offer help and agree a date when it should be opened again. The site is a heritage site and should be respected as such.

    28 Jan 2012 11:11 PM

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  • Capel wrote:

    Having just spent all day reading the Act of Parliament (again), I notice that there is facility built into it for Mr Button to claim compensation for losses caused by the incorrect implementation of the Act. Anyone interested in interested reading can download the Act from The Governments own website

    .legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/37/pdfs/ukpga_20000037_en.pdf

    .legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/37/contents

    Happy reading folks.
    Kitton

    28 Jan 2012 9:47 PM

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  • Capel wrote:

    Well it seems that one or two posts on here seem concerned about the KCC expenditure on this ego trip of theirs in the name of Ramblers. I would like to remind any residents of Capel that under the Freedom Of Information Act they are entitled to write to the KCC requesting their expenditure to date. This will at least put their minds at rest.

    28 Jan 2012 9:29 PM

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  • pebbles wrote:

    There is lots of support for Mr Button; he clearly wants to preserve the site for future generations. Health and Safety interfers so much in real life but in tis instance is important. Read the Open Access legislation and it is clear that the battery should be excluded. There's already been a young girl lose her life there - do the ramblers want another - will they talk to the family?

    28 Jan 2012 5:31 PM

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  • landy88 wrote:

    Funny that when you read the Act and the guidence notes there seems to be at least 6 items that would permantly exculde the land being open access. Thats without Taking Safety into account

    27 Jan 2012 2:44 PM

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  • FC109 wrote:

    Wouldn't it be nice if someone in the KCC were to read the Open Access Act of Parliament and it's Explanatory Notes and then get someone who understands plain English to explain it to them. It would have been nicer if this were done before they wasted so much of our money on a lost cause. Here we are now watching them waste even more of our money trying to justify their mistakes. I know we do not live in a perfect world but sometimes it would be nice to see people at least trying to make it look like we do. Good Luck Mr. Button. May we soon have some History of our own to remember our Heroes By.

    26 Jan 2012 5:37 PM

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  • Pronto wrote:

    It hardly seems justified for the Council to take John to court for trying to avoid an accident, however the alternative view that this is open access ground, has to be taken into account.
    KCC should have more sense and have less money to waste in such action and should find an acceptable solution that makers the site safe or give John a limited period to make it safe.
    Come on KCC, H E L P John, make this a further tourist attraction. What is going to happen if they win the case and John has to open the safety gates prematurely; will KCC pay for anybody who get injured?

    26 Jan 2012 12:34 PM

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  • AS wrote:

    This land is full of holes to catch the unsuspecting walker - it is dangerous and the area has been fenced of temporarily to prevent injuries happening.Once John has completed the project it will be a flagship tourist destination, just like the Battle of Britain Memorial next door - and ramblers, dog walkers , will be able to roam freely - just like they do at the Memorial. John's actions are just plain common sense - support him - don't knock him. In these times, we need entrepreneurs like him to invest in projects like this - it will bring additional tourists to the area!

    25 Jan 2012 7:02 PM

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  • MalcolmT wrote:

    Let's be clear about this. John Button has bought the land and is looking to restore the historic features of the site. I've been on the site and there are big 'oles that you really wouldn't want a rambler to fall down (no, seriously). When he has finished the work and made the site safe he will open it again. In the meantime there is still a footpath along the clifftop. Anyone who thinks we live in a 'concrete jungle', ramblers included, should fly over Kent and see how much of it is still green. Just walk your dog somewhere else for a year or so while this cultural philanthropist gets on with his good works.

    25 Jan 2012 8:35 AM

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  • Norsewind wrote:

    I do not think they are doing it for "everyone" .. but i guess what with the underground hospital there, the landowner wont want to have all and sundry tramping all over the place, and then something happens and some one gets injured then they sue him for allowing "everyone" to walk in unsafe surroundings

    24 Jan 2012 11:20 PM

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  • Freedomfighter wrote:

    KCC and the Ramblers are absolutely right to fight this. The public won the right to walk here under the Countryside and Rights of Way Act and the law must not be flouted by landowners. All strength to KCC and the Ramblers in this case - they are doing this for everyone.

    24 Jan 2012 11:03 PM

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  • landy88 wrote:

    This Site should stay protected and fenced off for ever, too much of our war heritage was ripped up and destroyed, This should be fully restored and KCC should be putting there hands in pocket to help it, not pandering to Stupip ramblers, theres plenty of open countryside elsewhere

    24 Jan 2012 7:00 PM

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  • Norsewind wrote:

    Ramblers eh, frustrated retired or semi retired fuddy duddys who having nothing better to do than rove around the country side in gangs looking for a trouble so they can fill their days with endless court battles which costs the country millions in court fees and time..

    And as for dog walkers, well why cant they take their mutts elsewhere ...

    24 Jan 2012 3:32 PM

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  • r.samuells wrote:

    I used to play in the tunnels as a kid , there is a wealth of history there . It was bought to stop travellers? moving on to the site and ruining the whole area .
    Well done Mr Button , you lose the case it will be a traversty. The ramblers should do their homework and look at sites in Essex . Would they walk through there and get attacked by vicious dogs and gypsy women .

    24 Jan 2012 1:48 PM

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  • sam wrote:

    John Button is right to be doing this. There are plenty of over places the ramblers can wander - but you can't move this peice of history! Hope you get you're way John, and look forward to hearing about your discoveries.

    24 Jan 2012 12:15 PM

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