Swindon Town 2 Gillingham 0

david shaw knows best wrote:

NOT GOOD ENOUGH

same old same old huff puff no end product,predictable tactics.the players are being made to look very ordinary.

We need a new manager,whoever disagrees knows absolutely nowt,especially boyogill. Please save your lengthy lectures for the fansonline forum.

27 Oct 2011 1:53 PM

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boyogill wrote:

Ok. Clearly intelligent and reasoned debate is too much to expect then.

I have one username and I don't hide behind it - posters on other Gills forums will tell you that I'm happy to say who I am. The other people you mention have different views to mine if you read them.

And it's 'you're' not 'your'.

26 Oct 2011 7:57 PM

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boyogillsdad wrote:

Dear old boyogill aka chris h,gfc or is it nige. WHOEVER YOUR A MUPPET

26 Oct 2011 6:08 PM

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boyogill wrote:

Yes very droll 'boyogillsdad'...except that you'll notice I don't mention Hessenthaler once. I was talking about last night's match, but hey you're clearly not one to let a little thing like context get in the way of being a funny f***er.

For what it's worth I'm far from convinced that Hessenthaler is the right man for the job. I've said as much on previous occasions, but I do believe that any manager should be given a certain amount of time in charge. Everyone will have different views on how long that should be, but for me it's around 2 full seasons, unless things really are going disastrously. I think it's ludicrous when clubs change managers after one bad run, and it would certainly be ludicrous to do it when we're 3 points off the automatic promotion places.

I could understand the calls for change a month or two ago, but we've won 4 of the last 7 and played well and deserved more last night. All the doom-mongers just seemed to disappear for the win at Torquay and the battling qualities against Oxford, only to reappear after an unlucky defeat which many of them don't seem to have actually seen.

If we're well out of touch by Christmas then Hess should go, to give a new manager enough time. However if we're in or just below the play-offs there's no logic in sacking him when things have improved immeasurably since the new strikers came in.

Oh and 'boyogillsdad', you'd look less childish if you used the same username - presumably you're either 'same old', 'ant' or 'homer' and I've upset you enough to attempt a bit of very amateur comedy.

Anyway thanks for your concern but I'm not remotely upset. Never nice losing to the Swine of course, but I'm much happier with things than a few games ago. I've noticed most people who were actually there last night generally aren't as angry as those who weren't.

26 Oct 2011 4:55 PM

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Dover Fan wrote:

You'll be alright when Birchall returns for you...he was by a 'country mile' the best of the trio you signed from us...

I always look at your results and hope you do well, at the end of the day 'Kent football' needs more than just you guys in the football league.

I still think that you will be in the play offs and providing everyone stays fit will win that.

Keep the faith!

26 Oct 2011 1:25 PM

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ffs wrote:

Once again we have fellow supporters calling those who want a change of manager various things.
It is not the fans who are letting the club down.
IT's the club letting the fans down.

26 Oct 2011 1:21 PM

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UpTheGills wrote:

Very disappointing that we have failed to collect a point last night. 0-0 would have been a very good result as Swindon have been strong at home all season. Having been to Sat's game against Oxford and seen the commitment you have to wonder whether stamina and fitness once again came into it because it was late on when we got undone. It's the loss of momentum that's the real issue because we now go to Morecambe under pressure to win just to stay with the pack (and its a big pack as well).

26 Oct 2011 12:33 PM

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rich down and out wrote:

whatever people's individual viewpoints are, the fact is in order to guarantee a top 3 finish this season, a win percentage of over 50% will be required from now until May - and since Hessenthaler has never achieved in his life as a legaue manager, why would anyone think that all of a sudden, he will overnight transform things?

the same thin ghappened last season - first it was judge me after tne games, then the team needs time to gel, then there are still plenty of points to play for, when we got beaten at home it was they have good players and stopped us from playing (what an inept, defeatest and clueless comment that one is), the ref didn't do us any favours today but i'm not having a go at the officials, words were said at half time etc etc etc

facts are facts - the football is the worst we have played in since pre 1995, the fitness is a concern and there have been no signs, despite spending int he summer and a year to get into the job, of any improvement whatsoever.

those are all facts - we will intepret them in different ways, but regardless of our own opinions either way, the fact is that at the moment we are not good enough from promotion. the debate is then 'should promotion be our aim?' - if so, changes have to be made to how we are going about things, which may or may not require us changing the manager - if not, why not, and what is our target for the season?

this is a very poor division on the whole, and for me personally, anything less than a top 3 finish will be a massive disappointment and under achievement, and ultimately that responsibility lies with one person - the manager.

let us not forget as well how poor we were for the most of last season - veyr poor in fact - with many of our wins being through luck than judgement, and the poor quality of the opposition.

when do yoy stop, look and consider that we are not progressing, with some saying we are even going backwards - before concluding that for whatever reason, the manager is just succeeding?

food for thought

but one thing is for certain, if we get to ten losses by mid november, with most top 3 sides not losing that many over a whole season, surely if we are to have any hope of success, a change must be made?

26 Oct 2011 11:33 AM

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Laugh at the gi11ing5cum wrote:

Well, we have played better and lost this season, but class always shines through in the end. I imagine that most of you are arriving home about now, well dragging a caravan along and stopping off every now and then to strip lead from church roofs does add time to your journey. We were the better team and deserved the win, you can daydream all you want, the better team won, fact.

26 Oct 2011 11:29 AM

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boyogillsdad wrote:

Please excuse my sons rant he is deeply upset because Hessys days are numbered.His bedroom walls are completly covered with pictures of Hessenthaler.I blame myself for this as i took him along to priestfield when he was just a young boy.

26 Oct 2011 11:16 AM

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boyogill wrote:

Spot the people who weren't there last night! If 'homer j' and 'same old' were at the game then it's clear you just spout a load of generic abuse whenever we lose, regardless of what actually happened on the pitch. Last night's result was undeserved, as a handful of Swindon fans have said. Yes there are areas for criticism - not taking chances against a team who were under-par, Hess's reaction to the goal, as others have pointed out - but the same rant after every defeat just makes you look like a Man Utd fan who thinks they have a divine right to win every game. If we were dreadful last night then fair enough, but we weren't.

And this idea of Crawley and Wimbledon being tin-pot clubs makes me laugh. It's the same kind of snobbery that made some fans moan when we brought in 'non-League players', as if Gillingham are some kind of footballing superpower!? We are historically a 4th Division club with a long record of buying from the leagues below us. Yes we punched hugely above our weight for 3-4 seasons but I'm guessing the likes of Blackburn, Man City, the Sheffield clubs, Norwich etc etc saw us as a tin-pot club with no right to be in the Championship. Team fortunes change. It's what's so great about the English game and why there was such reaction against the idea of stopping relegation from the Premier League. Look at what Wigan, Swansea and Blackpool achieved in 10 years, and how Sheffield United, Wednesday, Bradford and Luton have fallen. You generally are in the league you deserve to be in. In any case Crawley are by far the richest club in League Two and were clear favourites for the title. If you're judging teams based on their name sounding a bit 'lower league', then I think you'll find a lot of fans of other clubs who view Gillingham as 'tin-pot'.

26 Oct 2011 11:06 AM

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ffs wrote:

Here we go the ever optimistic Nige trying desperatly to put on a brave face despite another defeat for his hero Hess.DO YOU BY ANY CHANCE WEAR A PARKER COAT AND HAVE A BEARD,and do a bit of commentry.

26 Oct 2011 11:00 AM

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Nige wrote:

I'd like to know how many of you who are so keen on doing us down after last night actually went?
If you did you are entitled to an opinion - if not shut up and go away back under your rocks.
I too was disappointed with the result (especially considering it was the WIBS) but the fact is we were the better side and extremely unlucky. The fact that a couple of Swine have commented similar on here should tell you that.
By all means criticise when justified, but not when we play well and lose. And make sure you actually see the game before making unwarranted comments. Reading the negative comments I would guess only one of you (Paul Scally ... meatballs) was actually there, and so can appreciate your viewpoint even if I disagree. As for the rest of you.....

26 Oct 2011 10:47 AM

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wake up you reptile wrote:

Sombre reptile its people like you, who are scared to act or scared of change that will ensure this club stays in this *oxy league.Your always prepared to give a little bit longer. There comes a time when you have to say it's not working so a change is needed.

26 Oct 2011 9:46 AM

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elseyrocket wrote:

@Matt j
What a ridiculous argument you make i'm sure there are many out of work managers who would jump at the chance to manage the club.And who says Hess is on a small wage. I would certainly not complain if the chairman made a change.

26 Oct 2011 9:35 AM

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Sombre Reptile wrote:

Where do the Gill's supporters who support the club and the manager go to have to read reasonable, justified and constructive comments. It is clearly not here.I accept that there are those who would like to see Hess gone but none of them who post here seem to offer any realistic way forward if he were to go. let's just get on with what we've got. Still only 3 points off automatic promotion, albeit that the top two are pulling away. A strong squad despite the injuries and suspensions, so there is still everything to play for and every hope that it can happen. Glass half full.

26 Oct 2011 9:33 AM

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homer j simpson wrote:

sadly we are losing as many games as we are winning, with zero consistancy.

we still cannot string more than tow or three passes together, play with zero width, have players who are unfit, players playing out of position, constantly fail to get the best from our players, do not play to our strengths etc

NOTHING has changed from last season whatsoeve r- zero improvement, same problems, same poor football, same lack of ideas to improve things

hessenthaler is a walking book of excuses, living off his reputation as a player - have people forgotten just what a poor manager he was found to be last time around - as soon as his strong no.2 left, we plummeted, fast - he was found then to be unable to motivate the players, tactically inept and soon lost the dressing room - with the squad unfit, injured and out of sorts - in comes a 'proper' manager in stan ternant, and overnight, ALL of these things vanished, and we finished the season as a top 3 from side - had the change been made sooner, we would of been knocking on the door of the premier league via the play offs - which si what the chairman was banking on - one season woulf o cleared the debts and put money inb oth his and our pocket and given us as foundation on which to build upon.

i am all for backing a manager, but, despite been given money to spend in the summer, which Hess mis-managed in signign too many central players without any going, leaving us unbalanced - i cannot think f one thin Hess has achieved since he came back - even winning away wasn't exactly an achievement, as it took tow loan players for this happen, PLUS relagation to league two, wehre the prvious manager had won away himself, MORE times than hessenthaler - so hardly a case of breaking our duck, so to speak.

we haven't played a good game at home all season, and the tow good away wins were down to the quality of the oppostiion, them having off days, and the overall poor quality of the league, DESPITE Hessenthaler not because of him.

how can anyone, players included, have any confidence in a manager who goes on the radio and says our own pitch is too small to play football on!

time to go Hessenthaler.

26 Oct 2011 9:28 AM

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same old same old wrote:

COME ON SCALLY.What the hell is it going to take to make you realise that Hessenthaler is not up to it.FOR GODS SAKE MAN, WE HAVE HAD 7 DEFEATS SO FAR ALREADY THIS SEASON.
Don't waste this season, do we want to be hosting the likes of Sheff utd, sheff wed, and preston or Crawley, Accrington or wimbledon.

26 Oct 2011 9:26 AM

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Matt J wrote:

It's easy to say that we need a new manager, but who would we get in? If Hessy goes then the club would have to pay him off, then afterwards who would replace him on a small salary? You have to be realistic!

26 Oct 2011 9:23 AM

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Matt J wrote:

It's easy to say that we need a new manager, but who would we get in? If Hessy goes then the club would have to pay him off, then afterwards who would replace him on a small salary? You have to be realistic!

26 Oct 2011 9:23 AM

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Ant wrote:

To be 10pts behind a tinpot club like crawley already and having already lost to another tinpot club like afc wimbledon tells you all you need to know about how far Gills have slumbed under Hessenthaler.
I see absolutely no improvement whatsoever, the football is still dire and nobody genuingly believes promotion is a possibility certainly via a top 3 spot.How much longer can Hessenthaler go on surviving in his job due to his days as a player.The chairman needs to man-up and make a change now.

26 Oct 2011 8:52 AM

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wehaveashockingmanager wrote:

Just 7 wins from 17 games played.

26 Oct 2011 8:36 AM

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paul scally was tonight disappointed and will today mostly be eating spicy meatballs wrote:

a disappointing defeat, undeserved but at the same time we did not deserve to win either

it was very alarming to see hess's head drop when they got their first goal, with no encouragement to our players to lif ttheir heads - trigger too was lost for anything to say to try and inspire us - it just seems to be one step forward and tow steps back all the time.

not meaning to be nagative, but Hess has had a season and half almost, and there has been no improvement - in fact, the quality of football has gone backwards at an alarming rate, as has our fitness, motivation, discipline and the rate at which we pick up niggling injuries has gone through the roor - too many for it to be bad luck, so surely something to do with the training and overall fitness levels of the squad

we just do not look like a professional football outfit - instead of worrying about nights out bowling, hess should be bonding the team by getting us playing good football, and generating a winning mentaility.

it does seem that as soon as we come up against a half good team, we struggle - truthfully we did not deserve to go in at half time one nil up against Oxford, and got away with murder by the end - a real smash and grab - yet again at home we were outplayed by the better side - though ind efence of Hess, the Priestfield pitch is too small for him to get us playing good football - he said so remember!

We are where we are, and it is all very well saying it is early on, there are plenty of points still up for grabs, but we are already falling behind the pace setters - and unless performances suddenly improve and we find some level of form and consistancy, we will finish outside the play-offs AGAIN - can still see the chairman forced into making a change and soon - defeat this Saturday will really show us up as being strugglers, not contenders.

26 Oct 2011 8:33 AM

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fleetfooteddavesmith wrote:

How many more times is this *loody club going to let it's fans down.If there was one match we wanted to win this was it.Its time to give serious thought about changing the manager before another season goes begging.

26 Oct 2011 8:27 AM

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NEW MANAGER PLEASE wrote:

SUGGESTIONS FOR A NEW MANAGER PLEASE.
HERE'S A THOUGHT HOW ABOUT ANDY FRAMPTON OR WALLY DOWNS OR WHOEVER - ANYONE BUT THE JOKE THAT IS HESSENTHALER.

26 Oct 2011 8:00 AM

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Warwickshire Red wrote:

Swindon fan in peace. You were unlucky tonight, you were the best team to play us at the CG this season imo and you definetly edged the game. A draw would have been a fair result aside from Richies stunning goal. Make no mistake though, that was probably our worse performance at home this season by some way. Good support from your lot too. You will have no worries for the rest of the season but good luck regardless.

26 Oct 2011 12:39 AM

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Gerry wrote:

Oops - tripped up on my words! I put these comments on the Swindon site then attempted to change bits. The long range shot of course hit the inside of Our post, then one of Your guys stood on the ball!

Forgot to say, a warm thanks for chanting Di Canio's name. It's good to know that other team's fans can respect others when they have a bereavement.

You'll play worse this season and win comfortably.

25 Oct 2011 11:23 PM

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simple me wrote:

wibble wibble u peller

25 Oct 2011 11:09 PM

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Gerry wrote:

Swindon fan here. Yep we rode our luck tonight. Two good passing teams who were too wary of each other to have a real shot at goal. It was the second half before we saw a real shot, a long range effort which hit the inside of your post, then one of their guys stood on the ball when it just needed a tap-in.

I was convinced then it would be 0-0, but somehow Ritchie and Smith woke up to give us two wonder strikes. Both teams looked a bit too much like Arsenal, lots of pretty football but I can't recall many good passes to the front men.

Still it takes a good team to change things when it's not working - and we are after all still a work in progress. I can see both sides in the play-offs.

25 Oct 2011 11:08 PM

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Mike wrote:

Very disappointed with the result, on the way home now! Can't fault the effort from the lads as I thought we were playing well, two great goals from an otherwise very average Swindon team, and I mean average! Kedwell has sadly cost us the game, there is no excuses for that miss! I thought we were the better team, kept the ball well!
I was disappointed with Hess' reaction to going a goal down, head down, kicking the ground, looked like a guy who lost belief, not good for the players to see, need a motivator n a winner, as the game wasn't lost at that point!
All in all, happy with the performance and effort from the lads!
UTG!

25 Oct 2011 11:03 PM

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Nige wrote:

Presently in car on way back from the Swine and definitely a case of better team lost. Not a lot in the first half but we just about edged it, and second half we were clearly the better side.
The whole team played their part, with Nouble and Rooney in particular doing well. Only Weston was a bit below par, but not terrible.
Rooney very unlucky when smacked post, but the Keds miss a real contender for miss of the season!
Obviously disappointed to have lost (especially at the WIBS) but pleased with performance and more of the same would be great.
Especially good considering that with such a wet pitch from all the rain they still couldn't outplay us even with their distinct advantage of having webbed feet!
Well played (but unlucky).

25 Oct 2011 10:55 PM

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god wrote:

cor dear steve sounds like he knows his stuff. if i retire he could b me. i wounder how many will jump on the band wagon tonight/this week now. not going to make or break our season. good luck hess and the team sat. lets take it a game at a time asx this league is tight. anything could happen. look at rotherham, although they aint out of it.

25 Oct 2011 10:18 PM

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steve wrote:

If the Gills are going to do anything this season they must be consistant. A draw at Swindon would have been a good result, As soon as gillingham come up against a good team they struggle.

25 Oct 2011 9:51 PM

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